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Old 02-26-2013, 12:07 PM   #61
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So you want a class of legal permanent residents that can't transition to citizenship? What purpose would this serve, exactly?


H-1B visas are expensive to file for and expensive to go through compliance. Most companies are looking at 10k+ in total costs. Employers who sponsor H1Bs reserve those for highly technical and specialized roles. You're not going to hire an HR generalist on an H1B.

L visas are also company specific. It has to specifically fit the needs of that company. And a company won't be willing to transfer one of its employees overseas to stateside and keep them here unless there is a compelling business case to do so. Most companies that file for L-1 and H-1B visas are huge multinational firms that can afford to do so.

They would have a legal status in this country. They will be able to work without worrying about finding a fake social security card. They can get jobs that pay check, provide health insurance, and they can pay their taxes. They can not be in fear of calling the cops and visiting a hospital. They can live in peace and not look over their shoulder for INS agents. Most importantly, they get what they want, a legal right to work. The "path to citizenship" and the above are not a single issue. They should be treated as two separate issues.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:07 PM   #62
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A class of workers that feel free to change jobs, live and work in the US, but do not get medicare/medicaid, voting rights, etc.
Congrats, in one fell swoop you have just re-invented, for all intent and purposes, serfdom and the poll tax.

"We no longer hold the truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal"



Dude, seriously, this is America. We have fought for freedom from this for 200+ years and you want to flush it away. People keep asking "what the hell is wrong with this country?" Its a mentality that thinks your idea is a good one.

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Old 02-26-2013, 02:10 PM   #63
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Congrats, in one fell swoop you have just re-invented, for all intent and purposes, serfdom and the poll tax.

"We no longer hold the truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal"



Dude, seriously, this is America. We have fought for freedom from this for 200+ years and you want to flush it away. People keep asking "what the hell is wrong with this country?" Its a mentality that thinks your idea is a good one.

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I hardly think creation of one immigrant visa category is going to change the socialist US of A.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:03 PM   #64
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You both are so wrong it burns my brain. Yes its true that some H1bs fit this category you are talking about, it does not describe most of the tens of thousands of H1b workers.

I have personally filed dozens of H1bs without incurring a total cost of $15,000.
Between the filing fees and the lawyers it's about $6000. And another $6000 to start the renewal process. That doesn't even take into account getting screwed by prevailing wages.

It's expensive as hell to sponsor an H-1B.
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Between the filing fees and the lawyers it's about $6000. And another $6000 to start the renewal process. That doesn't even take into account getting screwed by prevailing wages.

It's expensive as hell to sponsor an H-1B.
So all my attorney price quotes are meaningless?

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So all my attorney price quotes are meaningless?
Pretty much. Our lawyers handle everything from start to finish. You're probably licking a stamp.
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Pretty much. Our lawyers handle everything from start to finish. You're probably licking a stamp.
I'm vaguely insulted in a rustled jimmies way.
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A class of workers that feel free to change jobs, live and work in the US, but do not get medicare/medicaid, voting rights, etc.
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They would have a legal status in this country. They will be able to work without worrying about finding a fake social security card. They can get jobs that pay check, provide health insurance, and they can pay their taxes. They can not be in fear of calling the cops and visiting a hospital. They can live in peace and not look over their shoulder for INS agents. Most importantly, they get what they want, a legal right to work. The "path to citizenship" and the above are not a single issue. They should be treated as two separate issues.
You can't separate the two issues. Why would you specifically create another type of permanent legal residency without a path to citizenship?

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You both are so wrong it burns my brain. Yes its true that some H1bs fit this category you are talking about, it does not describe most of the tens of thousands of H1b workers.

I have personally filed dozens of H1bs without incurring a total cost of $15,000.
We're so wrong because your anecdotal evidence and a quick google search is only slightly different from your actual argument? Come on, man.

In any case, you're arguing on the margins. Can you name ONE instance outside of the green card lottery where it is possible for a foreigner to gain permanent legal residency within the US without being rich, famous, a proven genius, having a company sponsor you, or having immediate family within the US?
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You can't separate the two issues. Why would you specifically create another type of permanent legal residency without a path to citizenship?


We're so wrong because your anecdotal evidence and a quick google search is only slightly different from your actual argument? Come on, man.

In any case, you're arguing on the margins. Can you name ONE instance outside of the green card lottery where it is possible for a foreigner to gain permanent legal residency within the US without being rich, famous, a proven genius, having a company sponsor you, or having immediate family within the US?
There are many people who are LPRs who do not seek citizenship. Tax reasons, international travel, land and business laws in home country, etc.

Well, my google search is a reflection of a large number of attorneys who charge less than $3k for an H1b filing from beginning to end.

An F1 student visa will bring you into the US, intern at a US company who will sponsor you for an eventual greencard. This isn't a slam dunk or quick process, but it exists.
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I hardly think creation of one immigrant visa category is going to change the socialist US of A.
You hardly think, period. Full stop. You want create a tier of permanent, second class, legal immigrants who have no path to citizenship. Wonderful, lets take a group of people willing to work hard and NOT allow them to become citizens. Yeah, that is what made America great.
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You hardly think, period. Full stop. You want create a tier of permanent, second class, legal immigrants who have no path to citizenship. Wonderful, lets take a group of people willing to work hard and NOT allow them to become citizens. Yeah, that is what made America great.
Whats the alternative? Continue to increase social spending on people who haven't paid in?
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You hardly think, period. Full stop. You want create a tier of permanent, second class, legal immigrants who have no path to citizenship. Wonderful, lets take a group of people willing to work hard and NOT allow them to become citizens. Yeah, that is what made America great.
Lol

And rapier7, my grandparents are Puerto Rican and Italian and showed up here in the 1950s for the record.
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You hardly think, period. Full stop. You want create a tier of permanent, second class, legal immigrants who have no path to citizenship. Wonderful, lets take a group of people willing to work hard and NOT allow them to become citizens. Yeah, that is what made America great.
America wasn't made great by fence jumpers, so lets get that right. Stop pettifogging the issue. This solution will simply allow them to work here, live here and pay taxes. If they want to become citizens, they can have the same path as the other few billion people on the planet. You need to wrap your head around the fact that this is actually two separate issues.
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Interesting development. I take it we will need to spend a lot of tax dollars to round them up again later on in the future.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...g-budget-cuts/
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Pretty much. Our lawyers handle everything from start to finish. You're probably licking a stamp.
That was pretty rude.
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Congrats, in one fell swoop you have just re-invented, for all intent and purposes, serfdom and the poll tax.

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What is this drivel? We all may have been created equal, but we are all not entitled to the same things. If we go by your logic then we should live in a borderless one world government. Actually, that sounds right up your alley.

If you have a welfare state you cannot have open immigration.
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Interesting development. I take it we will need to spend a lot of tax dollars to round them up again later on in the future.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...g-budget-cuts/
I was just listening to this on the radio......I wonder if it's saber rattling, or something legitimate. I know we've ramped up our deportation efforts over the past 4 years (400K + deported) and I wonder if this potential budget cut issue would reduce the overall efforts.
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That was pretty rude.
His jimmies are rustled because he works in HR.
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I was just listening to this on the radio......I wonder if it's saber rattling, or something legitimate. I know we've ramped up our deportation efforts over the past 4 years (400K + deported) and I wonder if this potential budget cut issue would reduce the overall efforts.
There are rumors Obama and admin are going to cause TSA delays in order to gather public support to increase DHS funding. Republicans can't oppose it if their constituents demand it.
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