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Old 02-20-2013, 06:12 PM   #41
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:19 PM   #42
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not trying to nit pick, but considering the color of your car, and the fact that those pics were taken in the shade, you probably wouldn't be able to see any visible surface scratches with your eye, let alone a camera.

i personally don't see how it is possible that any car wash won't inevitably scratch your car. if the brushes/pads/whatever are dirty, they will scratch your paint. maybe it will scratch it less than the pads/bristles made out of death that are 30 years old, but if those aren't properly washed/rinsed, you will get scratches
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They offer unlimited washes for $33/mo?! Wish they would open one up in the Bay.

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Old 02-20-2013, 08:27 PM   #44
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:30 PM   #45
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I know that your story is a lie, because no car is swirl or flaw free after five years.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:15 PM   #46
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I hand wash mines with a genuine BMW sheep mitt, nothing else is as gentle and effective at washing it. During the colder months l take it to those self serve car-washes where you put quarters in and wash it yourself. I took it once to those machine washes and they scuffed my wheel, NEVER AGAIN!!
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You drive a white car, your opinion doesn't count. Stop trying to put hard working detailers like myself out of work.
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I hand wash mines with a genuine BMW sheep mitt, nothing else is as gentle and effective at washing it. During the colder months l take it to those self serve car-washes where you put quarters in and wash it yourself. I took it once to those machine washes and they scuffed my wheel, NEVER AGAIN!!
That's a very expensive and also a very nice wash mitt. I approve.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:04 PM   #49
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You drive a white car, your opinion doesn't count. Stop trying to put hard working detailers like myself out of work.
I stopped caring as much since my cars are white and silver
If I drove something dark, I'd care more because I could see it more often.
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this is after 10 times through that wash. looked under a detail lamp, no swirls.
officially sold. funny how everyone speculates and talks but i am the only one who has posted an actual photo. 90% of people are coming being like OMG you are RUINING your car. i am sitting here like, umm i have a paint thickness guage and eyes. and the car is flawless. and i have photos of it lol. Handwashing takes SOOOOOO much time. trust me as OCD as they get but even i began noticing the 6 hours per week to keep the car at roughly the same level, if not less because within 2 days your work is gone.

Went yesterday and the worker let me walk through the tunnel, let me feel all the brushes, see how everything works. the equipment cost 1.2M in the tunnel. now i see why it is that good. every spray area is super thought out, and the foam it is this odd hydrophyllic type foam, and then the ones from the top are like a very soft microfiber. the ones on the side are .. not sure if you have ever gottten those bmw valve stem caps that come in a circular foam holder in the packaging, very similar to that foamy material. they are directly sprayed with water every time so nothing ever accumulates on them, and they wash them nightly. by that point in the tunnel your car is also covered with a very thick foam. and at the beginning of the wash an attendant sprays your car down with soap as well. cars go through this thing all day and it really is true none of the brushes had any dirt on them. i think for me at least, this place makes handwashing pretty close to a waste of time. granted 95% of machine places probably don't meet this standard. I had a black car before this as well. as said my friend takes his black merc. here, no problems. under a detail lamp.

anyway definitely not backing ALL machine washes; obviously a HUGE variance there, just saying they are out there. i will take a 2min wash of this quality any day. amazing.
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Wow. You posted pictures of a white car (very forgiving) in the shade! Hands down you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there are no swirls.

I actually don't have a real bone to pick with you over the use of a car wash, but you seem to be exaggerating. And then your proof is kind of a joke by detailing standards.

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Wow. You posted pictures of a white car (very forgiving) in the shade! Hands down you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there are no swirls.

I actually don't have a real bone to pick with you over the use of a car wash, but you seem to be exaggerating. And then your proof is kind of a joke by detailing standards.

not denying that the pictures don't really portray it, pretty hard to show that until i get under the detail lamp but i have an indoor carwash at the house and have seen it first hand i mean, just saying what i see. if i were swirling up my car that would be my own problem, not anyone else's haha. Had two jet black e46s before this, so i know how that goes not some new thing. don't have to believe me of course. criticism on photos is warranted i concede. just saying super impressed. would bet you $10k we could look at panels of your car, blue, black, whatever, run it through this 20x, and have no problem. only reason i made the thread is because i was probably more skeptical/ocd about it than even anyone here. as shown on the first page, internals are pretty close to that.
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ok - now we're getting a bit ridiculous. I'm sure it is great for a machine wash, but to state that it will cause Zero scratches / swirls under a lamp after repeated use is taking it a bit far.
I know you claim to research and be an expert on everything, but c'mon man.
I'm out, this is silly.
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ok - now we're getting a bit ridiculous. I'm sure it is great for a machine wash, but to state that it will cause Zero scratches / swirls under a lamp after repeated use is taking it a bit far.
I know you claim to research and be an expert on everything, but c'mon man.
I'm out, this is silly.


best pic i have, will get a larger pic with the nikon hosted later tonight under a detail lamp. nobody has to stay or do anything, obviously. only reason i posted in the first place is because i was starting to get taxed pretty hard on time spending 5+ hours per week detailing the car and just having it all gone with one rainstorm or small road event. so pretty happy about it obviously. if people want to come at my hand wash regimen i will gladly break down the quality level I keep on my cars:

-Water softener at the house
-Full spray down all panels, car in shade, ~75 degrees
-Macquiar's car wash concentrate with microfiber mitt (are people seriously using wool at this stage??) carry hose on trickle around with you in front of the soaped wash mitt as you go around panel by panel to provide a film and keep the wash eco friendly, very thick suds, panel by panel. there should be a VERY good film of soap and water in front of and under the mitt at all times. ALWAYS follow this order: Roof/sharkinfin, pillars/window trim, windows, flats/spoiler lip, doors/horizontals, skirts, bumpers, door sills, then wheels and wheel arches and accessible underbody portions with different rinsed mitts. No square inch of the car or door sills, trunk sills should be left unsudsed and rinsed.
-Full high pressure rinse, top to bottom, every crevice, every panel, softened water.
-Full dry, microfiber, continual wringing
-Damp polish, Detailed Image P21S
-Full clean/dry, still with partially damp microfiber
-Clay. quick detail always ahead of clay, film should be kept very thick. rinse clay frequently in fresh softened water, and knead every time after rinsing, replace water frequently.
-Fine polish, scratch X if anybody has leaned up against the car, misc swirls, etc.
-Sealant, every square mm of the car, Detailed Image
-Macquiar's, or Zymol wax
-Final detail, clean microfiber

Detail all plastic sections, polish plastics
Clay glass
Clay wheels
Interior detail, remove and install new OE floor mats
Final detail again
Buy more floor mats, preferably M
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Old 02-21-2013, 02:54 PM   #56
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OP posts more grainy pictures of his car in the shade.

You need to take a pic with direct flash with a DSLR to really show the defects. I don't think there is such thing as washing the car without scratching it, hand wash or machine wash. You have more control with a hand wash and can do more rinsing in between. I agree that people overreact and obsess too much though. I still wouldn't go through one of these auto washing things.
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OP posts more grainy pictures of his car in the shade.

You need to take a pic with direct flash with a DSLR to really show the defects. I don't think there is such thing as washing the car without scratching it, hand wash or machine wash. You have more control with a hand wash and can do more rinsing in between. I agree that people overreact and obsess too much though. I still wouldn't go through one of these auto washing things.
did i not just say i would do that later tonight..

As stated before, this is my handwash regimen, i want to hear the regimen of all of the people who say they are good at handwashing, because if their standards arent this high in the first place i don't really care about their input.

-Water softener at the house
-Full spray down all panels, car in shade, ~75 degrees
-Macquiar's car wash concentrate with microfiber mitt (are people seriously using wool at this stage??) carry hose on trickle around with you in front of the soaped wash mitt as you go around panel by panel to provide a film and keep the wash eco friendly, very thick suds, panel by panel. there should be a VERY good film of soap and water in front of and under the mitt at all times. ALWAYS follow this order: Roof/sharkinfin, pillars/window trim, windows, flats/spoiler lip, doors/horizontals, skirts, bumpers, door sills, then wheels and wheel arches and accessible underbody portions with different rinsed mitts. No square inch of the car or door sills, trunk sills should be left unsudsed and rinsed.
-Full high pressure rinse, top to bottom, every crevice, every panel, softened water.
-Full dry, microfiber, continual wringing
-Damp polish, Detailed Image P21S
-Full clean/dry, still with partially damp microfiber
-Clay. quick detail always ahead of clay, film should be kept very thick. rinse clay frequently in fresh softened water, and knead every time after rinsing, replace water frequently.
-Fine polish, scratch X if anybody has leaned up against the car, misc swirls, etc.
-Sealant, every square mm of the car, Detailed Image
-Macquiar's, or Zymol wax
-Final detail, clean microfiber

Detail all plastic sections, polish plastics
Clay glass
Clay wheels
Interior detail, remove and install new OE floor mats
Final detail again
Buy more floor mats, preferably M
Buy anything else that needs replacing
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You do that every week? That's unnecessary and nuts! Do use a halogen lamp and get us a photograph, I don't think a camera flash is gonna cut it. You probably will also have to use manual focus to get the camera to avoid focusing on a reflection instead of the paint.
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You by floor mats for your car every time you detail? Sheesh

I could poke a few holes in your approach, but I'm not going to since it looks good enough. To claim a wash of any sort will not induce swirls and scratches is showing how out of touch you are.

Ultimately it doesn't matter since we aren't talking about Concours cars here, just daily beaters. Running it through a carwash isn't going to kill it, but it isn't doing any favors either.
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I use a fully quadruple-filtered RO water supply with MacGuyver's microfibre mitt.
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