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Old 02-23-2013, 11:16 PM   #21
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I can agree with some of this even though I don't like to admit that I am indeed agreeing with you. I guess it really takes having to experience a shitty background to know that it is indeed possible to rise above the **** pile and lead a successful and rewarding life.
It obvious that Satan will be ice skating to work on Monday.

I can relate to your situation. I came from sod-freakin-all, the economic dregs, and a bit different but just as shitty background.

It often seems that those who haven't been there seem to think its just laziness that keeps people down. It is in some cases, in others its not. There are those who escape (da' hood, the barrio, the projects, etc) through determination and bloody hard work. And there are those who toil for decades and can just never achieve escape velocity. The color of their skin, or ethnicity, or religion (or lack thereof), or political leanings don't have much to do with making out or being lazy.

I am more liberal and atheist than most around here, my ethnicity is primarily eurotrash but also native-american, I'll wager my "family values" aren't anywhere in the same solar orbit as Chase's. Yet, I made it out.

And as much as it pains me to say, glad you did too. (Ok...I just threw up a little in my mouth )


And now back to our regularly scheduled animosities.
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Old 02-23-2013, 11:40 PM   #22
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It obvious that Satan will be ice skating to work on Monday.

I can relate to your situation. I came from sod-freakin-all, the economic dregs, and a bit different but just as shitty background.

It often seems that those who haven't been there seem to think its just laziness that keeps people down. It is in some cases, in others its not. There are those who escape (da' hood, the barrio, the projects, etc) through determination and bloody hard work. And there are those who toil for decades and can just never achieve escape velocity. The color of their skin, or ethnicity, or religion (or lack thereof), or political leanings don't have much to do with making out or being lazy.

I am more liberal and atheist than most around here, my ethnicity is primarily eurotrash but also native-american, I'll wager my "family values" aren't anywhere in the same solar orbit as Chase's. Yet, I made it out.

And as much as it pains me to say, glad you did too. (Ok...I just threw up a little in my mouth )


And now back to our regularly scheduled animosities.


I agree on the family values portion honestly as I think your's are similar. Marriage =/= a perfect upbringing for children.

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:50 AM   #23
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The point of this article is that democrats are currently pushing for amnesty for their political gain...

But you're simply going to disagree with any and everything that goes against immigration advancements because you're a second generation...
I'm first generation.

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Perhaps look outside your own reality and judge based on those findings.

At the end of the day, CHILDREN OUT OF WEDLOCK is the largest issue we face as a nation... The problem we currently face is cultural. It's the removal of personal accountability and responsibility... As Ann pointed out, 60% of immigrants immediately go on government subsidies.. And do so while rampantly popping out kids who will just be fostered into that reality.. One of government dependency.

The fact that third generation immigrants, on average, are poorer than second screams of acceptance and dependency... Not individual accomplishment, savings, and furthering the future generation.
Third generation Hispanic immigrants. And really, that is more of an issue of education than it is evidence of dependency. The education system needs reform and it needs to do a better job at teaching our kids usable skills and, most importantly, financial skills.

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Morals can not be taught in schools.. And 80% of blacks and 60% of Hispanics growing up without a father present is NOT going to get those values properly instilled.

The democrats have won. They have sat back and promised an end to hard work. Through the nanny state, they're offering table scraps that far too many will accept without getting off their ass to fight for a paycheck to purchase a high quality meal. And why should they when food stamps can buy you cigarettes, lobster, and filets.. But not baby formula.. Because those using assistance dont care to raise a child properly.
Lobsters and filets. Yeah, that's definitely the bulk of what people on food stamps are buying.

Marriage isn't the issue. If the poor black guy married the poor black girl, they wouldn't suddenly be out of poverty. The real issue is education. Unless you're upper middle class and can afford to move to a district with an excellent public school (or rich and send your kids to private school), you're ****ed in the new economy.

Educational achievement inflation (all these employers requiring BAs for even the most menial of entry level jobs) and wasteful public schools are making it extremely hard for those who rely on government the most to get the needed support to succeed in life.
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Rapier, we actually agree

For what it's worth, I've always respected your opinions brother
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Rapier, we actually agree

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So what are your ideas surrounding education reform?
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So what are your ideas surrounding education reform?
Charter school system in which teachers and institutions are funded/marked at a ratio merited by their performance. We need to remove the current structure that serves to protect teachers and the administration rather than the students.

Watch waiting for superman and keep in mind during the film that public school districts, on average, spend more per student than private schools do in tuition... So the public schools, often inferior, are providing not only a low value, but a low ROI... Which should be obvious to anyone who recognizes the faults in a union based system.

Two years : the time taken to receive tenure in most districts... Think about that
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Charter school system in which teachers and institutions are funded/marked at a ratio merited by their performance. We need to remove the current structure that serves to protect teachers and the administration rather than the students.

Watch waiting for superman and keep in mind during the film that public school districts, on average, spend more per student than private schools do in tuition... So the public schools, often inferior, are providing not only a low value, but a low ROI... Which should be obvious to anyone who recognizes the faults in a union based system.

Two years : the time taken to receive tenure in most districts... Think about that
So now comes the question...

Do you think our education budget is too high? Or perhaps the current system is an inefficient way of teaching children?
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Charter school system in which teachers and institutions are funded/marked at a ratio merited by their performance. We need to remove the current structure that serves to protect teachers and the administration rather than the students.

Watch waiting for superman and keep in mind during the film that public school districts, on average, spend more per student than private schools do in tuition... So the public schools, often inferior, are providing not only a low value, but a low ROI... Which should be obvious to anyone who recognizes the faults in a union based system.

Two years : the time taken to receive tenure in most districts... Think about that
Have you ever considered the way in which schools are viewed have an impact? In place like Korea teachers are considered rock stars and children take school very seriously. In America many kids see school as a waste of time and parents comments often encourage this outlook. Poor performing schools are just as much as a result of society's perspective as it is your anti-union rant.
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So now comes the question...

Do you think our education budget is too high? Or perhaps the current system is an inefficient way of teaching children?
We pour more and more money into "education" with diminishing returns. Teachers and administrators get their payday and the kids suffer because education has now become a government racket.
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