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Old 02-28-2013, 06:00 PM   #1
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Overtraining

Is it a myth? After about 90 min non-stop lifting, my body cannot take it, I have to stop. The next day sometimes I have to take it off, so I can recover. But I read that some guys lifting 2 hours a day every single day.

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Old 02-28-2013, 06:05 PM   #2
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This quote is regarding calorie cutting, but it applies to training as well in reverse:

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A calorie deficit is a recovery deficit. Avoid deficit spending.
Essentially, you reach a critical point where any additional training beyond this point is hurting your progress rather than helping it.

The longer your training experience, the harder it is to reach this point.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:09 PM   #3
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Over-training can occur, but I think the subject matter is convoluted. Dude in the video has a point.......train hard, train often, and get the volume up.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:59 PM   #4
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Amount of sleep and how much you eat has a direct effect on whether you're overtraining or not.

Since I started using xtend (bcaa) preworkout awhile ago, I feel I can work out longer and do cardio after without feeling totally wrecked when I'm done.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:01 PM   #5
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I think there is definitely some sense to what he and the others have said so far. Overtraining is not a bad thing if you supplement your body with enough fuel to make it happen. HOWEVER,


If you are an idiot like me, and just do more than your muscles can handle weight / resistance wise, you'll overtrain that way an get injured.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:09 PM   #6
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All I heard was motherfvcker.

I've over trained before, I would be EXHAUSTED and completely depleted and worthless for the rest of the day. Increased my calories, everything was back to normal.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:22 PM   #7
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Training on the juice is completely different than all natty.

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Old 02-28-2013, 09:26 PM   #8
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It is very easy to overtrain if your not feeding your body. Nutrition and rest is key no matter what. Want to get big? You gotta eat big. Simple
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:44 PM   #9
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u will either overtrain or most likely plateau. if you're younger and most athletic then Id take a deload every 6 or 8 weeks. Its hard to stay out of the gym for the week so do some light work like 50% of 1RM at most. Get in some yoga classes and stretch. meet some honies? deload week could be the greatest week of your life.
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The ability to handle additional training volume is built up over time. When you first start working out you might need to take every other or every third day off or even every other day if you are pushing it hard. After 5 years of training you workload when you were a beginner will look like childs play. Overtraining is real, but not if you are smart about it. If you're constantly feeling worn down or getting sick more often than you should then you should probably scale it back a bit.

Feeling worn out at the end of a long session could just be due to sub-par conditioning. That's why these fat poiwerlifters still do conditioning. Its not to stay lean, its to be able to make it through their entire training sessions....
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That's literally the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm shocked that such mumbling ignorance could even spark a discussion. It's like listening to Lil Wayne - sounds cool, but no substance.
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That's literally the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm shocked that such mumbling ignorance could even spark a discussion. It's like listening to Lil Wayne - sounds cool, but no substance.
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Sleep is messing it up for me. Some nights I only get 5-6 hours. I nap during the day for 2 hours but I still feel like I did not sleep enough.

How many mg of bcaa do you take? My MF protein has 5mg, I don't take them separately. I read many guys take them before and after workouts.

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Amount of sleep and how much you eat has a direct effect on whether you're overtraining or not.

Since I started using xtend (bcaa) preworkout awhile ago, I feel I can work out longer and do cardio after without feeling totally wrecked when I'm done.

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It's convoluted that's why I'm asking. It's hard to know what's enough. Some people go to the gym twice a day and work out for 1-2 hours each session.

Some people can only train 3-4 days a week, need to recover. After back and legs day I feel like I need 2 days of rest to be able to workout (even if a different muscle group) and push myself.
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This makes sense. What exactly do you do for conditioning?

How to know if my conditioning is adequate?

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The ability to handle additional training volume is built up over time. When you first start working out you might need to take every other or every third day off or even every other day if you are pushing it hard. After 5 years of training you workload when you were a beginner will look like childs play. Overtraining is real, but not if you are smart about it. If you're constantly feeling worn down or getting sick more often than you should then you should probably scale it back a bit.

Feeling worn out at the end of a long session could just be due to sub-par conditioning. That's why these fat poiwerlifters still do conditioning. Its not to stay lean, its to be able to make it through their entire training sessions....
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Sleep is messing it up for me. Some nights I only get 5-6 hours. I nap during the day for 2 hours but I still feel like I did not sleep enough.

How many mg of bcaa do you take? My MF protein has 5mg, I don't take them separately. I read many guys take them before and after workouts.
Think I take 5 grams. I use one scoop mixed with a scoop of creatine. Sipping it during your workout is good too, but easier for me to take it before. Taking it after would be good, but I just do regular whey after instead.
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This makes sense. What exactly do you do for conditioning?

How to know if my conditioning is adequate?
I do all sorts of different stuff. Most of them are either heavy or have some sort of skill component like Olympic lifting or doubleunders or muscleups. One thing that helped me build some training capacity was to do low intensity stuff on rest days. Like run a few miles slowly, bike, walk, etc.


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Best time to take BCAAs is after your workout(You can take before too or in morning). I take mine upon waking and after a workout. When you workout a muscle it take 48 Hours to fully recover(If your getting the right nutrition in).

As to you feeling so tired after legs and back(are you superseting them or what?) that you skip a day that could be do to lack of carbs

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It's convoluted that's why I'm asking. It's hard to know what's enough. Some people go to the gym twice a day and work out for 1-2 hours each session.

Some people can only train 3-4 days a week, need to recover. After back and legs day I feel like I need 2 days of rest to be able to workout (even if a different muscle group) and push myself.
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The ability to handle additional training volume is built up over time. When you first start working out you might need to take every other or every third day off or even every other day if you are pushing it hard. After 5 years of training you workload when you were a beginner will look like childs play. Overtraining is real, but not if you are smart about it. If you're constantly feeling worn down or getting sick more often than you should then you should probably scale it back a bit.

Feeling worn out at the end of a long session could just be due to sub-par conditioning. That's why these fat poiwerlifters still do conditioning. Its not to stay lean, its to be able to make it through their entire training sessions....
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That's literally the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm shocked that such mumbling ignorance could even spark a discussion. It's like listening to Lil Wayne - sounds cool, but no substance.
lol

I will say this... Some people do like to use "overtraining" as an excuse. It is an extremely over-used term, but very few actually know what it really is. It is very real and is something that happens long term. You just can't base it off a workout session. Variables like how you train, the intensity you train at, the frequency trained at during the week, the amount of volume you're doing, your rest/recovery period, proper nutrition, your progression (or lack there of), how you feel, etc... all play a very important roll.
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I have not been doing any cardio. I'll start jumping rope with a 30lb vest. I do 1000 jumps in about 21min. I hate doing cardio inside a gym. Cannot wait for weather to get better to go biking.

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I do all sorts of different stuff. Most of them are either heavy or have some sort of skill component like Olympic lifting or doubleunders or muscleups. One thing that helped me build some training capacity was to do low intensity stuff on rest days. Like run a few miles slowly, bike, walk, etc.


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Interesting, I might not be taking enough carbs even on working out days. Maybe around 250g.

No, I go 5 days a week (chest, back, shoulders, arms, legs). Back and legs days I just feel more tired. I think it's lack of sleep and not getting enough carbs on working out days. Should I get a separate supplement for BCAAs? Or what's in MF protein is enough?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mu...rm/combat.html

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Best time to take BCAAs is after your workout(You can take before too or in morning). I take mine upon waking and after a workout. When you workout a muscle it take 48 Hours to fully recover(If your getting the right nutrition in).

As to you feeling so tired after legs and back(are you superseting them or what?) that you skip a day that could be do to lack of carbs
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