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Old 03-05-2013, 12:48 PM   #21
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So whats the solution? Do we wait until another bridge collapse disaster? If so then we'll see all the politicians on the 3 idiot cable news networks just blame each other while still nothing gets done.....right?
we should use tax revenue to conduct a study on whether or not there should be a study on investing in these infrastructures.

If approved, we should then actually conduct a study on infrastructure investment.

If there are plausible signs for investing, we should use whatever remaining tax revenue to look for the most expensive and untimely labor and material contractors.

When there is no tax revenue left over, we should siphon funds off other public services, raise taxes on other economic activity or mortgage off some public bonds to pay for the improvements.

that is california democratic way

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Old 03-05-2013, 12:57 PM   #22
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So whats the solution? Do we wait until another bridge collapse disaster? If so then we'll see all the politicians on the 3 idiot cable news networks just blame each other while still nothing gets done.....right?
The solution is to use money is it is intended. Those bridges collect millions of dollars a year. Specific gas taxes collect billions of dollars a year. Use it for the purpose for which it was taxed. It's that simple.

edit: For example, the Throgs Neck Bridge has annual traffic of over 38,000,000. The toll each way is $6.50 (without EZ pass). For simple math purposes that = $247,000,000 a year. You can't maintain a bridge for that much money a year? I bet I can.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:18 PM   #23
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What should the government do? Throw everyone that works for the bridge authorities (ie MTA) in prison, throw their family out on their street, sell everything they own, including their organs, and begin to pay for the repairs with non union labor. I don't know about a few of those bridges, but do you have any idea how much toll money many of those generated? That toll money was FIRST supposed to pay for the bridges. Those bills were paid over 30 years ago. After that the tolls were supposed to be removed. They kept collecting, and increasing. It now costs $15 to cross the Verrazano and all other NY bridges. The GW has close to 300,000 cars/trucks a day pass through it. Some trucks pay almost $100 to cross it. Do you have any idea how much money that is? That bridge could have been lined in gold. Instead, almost none of the money is used to pay for the maintenance, and most of it goes to feed one of the larges, and most powerful unions on the planet.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:21 PM   #24
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The solution is to use money is it is intended. Those bridges collect millions of dollars a year. Specific gas taxes collect billions of dollars a year. Use it for the purpose for which it was taxed. It's that simple.

edit: For example, the Throgs Neck Bridge has annual traffic of over 38,000,000. The toll each way is $6.50 (without EZ pass). For simple math purposes that = $247,000,000 a year. You can't maintain a bridge for that much money a year? I bet I can.
Just to correct you, all NY crossings have been raised to $7.50, but thats recent so your figures are still accurate.
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Just to correct you, all NY crossings have been raised to $7.50, but thats recent so your figures are still accurate.
Honestly, a billion dollars every 4 years in revenue (for one freaking bridge!) should be more than enough to maintain these bridges.
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Honestly, a billion dollars every 4 years in revenue (for one freaking bridge!) should be more than enough to maintain these bridges.
just like Social Security, those funds are freely allocated where the bureaucrat see's appropriate SO I GUESS we can raise taxes because that always solves problems
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just like Social Security, those funds are freely allocated where the bureaucrat see's appropriate SO I GUESS we can raise taxes because that always solves problems
But thats not how these things are sold. Tolls are created to PAY for a project. Once it's paid for, the tolls are supposed to be removed.
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Honestly, a billion dollars every 4 years in revenue (for one freaking bridge!) should be more than enough to maintain these bridges.
Its enough to build a new bridge, not just maintain one.
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US roads are pretty shitty overall.
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US roads are pretty shitty overall.
Because they don't receive the promised funding needed to maintain them.
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Because they don't receive the promised funding needed to maintain them.
That's because we have to fund important things like theatre productions about global warming, studies about shrimp running on treadmills and building robot squirrels. Oh yeah, politicians have to galavant around like A list celebrities on our dime as well.
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Let's not forgot the funding of important projects like the F-22 and F-35.
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Let's not forgot the funding of important projects like the F-22 and F-35.
Tolls are not meant to pay for F22s. It is for locals to use and fund.
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Fvck bridgees.

We have countries to bomb.
Do you like apples? I like oranges.
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I like tax dollars that pay for bridges in my country instead of bombs for brown people halfway around the planet.
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Working with DOTs on their long run planning initiatives, you'd be shocked by the percentage of roads/bridges currently in "critical condition".
like Northern VA and parts of MD and DC?

FF UUU potholes!!!
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like Northern VA and parts of MD and DC?

FF UUU potholes!!!
My M3 gets trashed every time I make a visit to DC. F those roads.
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I like tax dollars that pay for bridges in my country instead of bombs for brown people halfway around the planet.
Tax dollars aren't used to pay for these bridges. The tolls were. There is no reason why someone in Buffalo NY should be paying for the GW bridge to be maintained. There is no reason for you, far away from NY to be paying for the Verrazano to be maintained. That is exactly why tolls were created. Now, if the MTA pisses all the toll money away then begs the government for funding, we have an even bigger problem. My point is, they are two separate issues (bombs and bridges.) Bridges/tunnels/mass transit should not be paid for by taxpayers AT ALL.
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I'm also curious as to how these contracts are awarded, and to whom. I get the impression it's like a good ol' boy network. That and all these "delays" which means more money to the contractor. Also, why work during the day in the DC area when it's heavily congested? Why not work at night? Oh wait, because it will be quicker, which means they can't prolong the contract and make more money!

Though I don't think road construction here in the DC/VA/MD area is unionized - not entirely sure.

Of course I have no evidence of this, just a suspicion

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Tolls are not meant to pay for F22s. It is for locals to use and fund.
I think you missed his sarcasm

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