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Old 03-11-2013, 04:48 PM   #41
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People who cannot control their willpower will die early and eventually be eliminated from the gene pool. I'm not seeing a problem here.
Problem: the human body is pretty damn resilient/durable. Hell, look at those ppl that get to be 500, 800, even 1,000 lbs! It's fascinating that a human body can withstand that treatment.

So, point being, they're not gonna wander into the plains and get taken out by a lion They're gonna be around. For a long time.
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Doing drugs and having sex... oh wow big deal. Well it is actually a HUGE deal.

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Here's one problem:
Before they die, they will cost us a lot of money through treatment for their chronic diseases and acute complications.

Fat and unhealthy people are expensive to maintain.
Which is why universal socialized healthcare is bullsh1t
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:50 PM   #43
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Which is why universal socialized healthcare is bullsh1t


If they had it, they would've gotten preventative care = not waiting till the last minute, which costs 10x as much
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:53 PM   #44
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There is no preventative care for an unhealthy lifestyle. You can pump me full of every drug out there but if I'm downing gallons of soda and eating beef jerky all day I'm going to be unhealthy.
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Like hospitals and EMS stations? Local government should handle that I suppose, but I'd rather see privately owned for better efficiency. Basically I would rather see state/local gov't hold more power than the feds when it comes to local matters.
Yeah I was thinking about hospitals and, specifically, communication between hospitals and healthcare professionals. I think the private industry has proved that they cannot implement an efficient way to share medical records. I can't really put all the blame on private industry, it's really a mixture of slow/inefficient government, politics, and lack of incentive for private industry...but my point is that there is a role for government, such as when there is a real need but a lack of financial incentive.
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Take away gov't disability support related to obesity. No more hover rounds, close parking, and money from the gov't for being handicapped and out of work.

Several of my relatives are on disability for....basically being fat. I think it is a crock. Pull the plug on that and get those people walking on their own two feet.
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If they had it, they would've gotten preventative care = not waiting till the last minute, which costs 10x as much
thank you. 10x is a low estimate

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There is no preventative care for an unhealthy lifestyle. You can pump me full of every drug out there but if I'm downing gallons of soda and eating beef jerky all day I'm going to be unhealthy.
but at least you won't have HTN and your lipids will be closer to normal than they would be without the meds, and you won't come in to the ED with a stroke or a heart attack
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:01 PM   #48
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I think Government intervention was out of line in this situation. However, how fat and stupid do people have to be for it to even get to this point?
Very... and they are getting dumber and dumber every day.. do you know why? Because they can. The government (and many politicians who would like to buy votes) have said "hey don't worry.. that's not YOUR fault.. it's the fault of the system (insert food companies, big tobacco, drug companies, whatever)..

They look for a scapegoat and offer to "fix it for you".

How many people bought the "ab electrifier".. or whatever it's called. "You can now get a six pack on your couch". How dumb can people be?
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Well people are too stupid to take responsibility for themselves.

Seriously you're an adult and still drinking soda? Grow up.

These overweight (not obese) unfit soda drinkers are the same people that b1tch about the drain of Medicare/Medicade on our country but don't realize that it's this unhealthy lifestyle that contributes to that very issue.

IMO there should be a HiGh Tax on soda and fast food.
But then what will poor people eat? And isn't fast food the very reason for the obesity levels amongst the poor? It's not like there is any free way to exercise or any freely offered public library offering dietary information online. Has to be the fault of the big M

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Good to see rational judges still reside on the bench. Look, even if it seems like a good idea we can't really legislate people into making good choices. Social pressure, in my opinion, is far more effective. Stop coddling fat people and letting them live behind excuses and lies. Shame them into changing.
Agree... right now, you're a jerk for encouraging fat people to "change". There are some out there who would rather legislation be put forward stating that fat people are a protected class and any form of negativity is discrimination. It's preposterous.

As for the fatties on this forum, they're intelligent enough to use the internet. They know what causes their weight issues.. and yet they chose to eat too much, work out too little, and likely joke about their weight rather than improving it.
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Very... and they are getting dumber and dumber every day.. do you know why? Because they can. The government (and many politicians who would like to buy votes) have said "hey don't worry.. that's not YOUR fault.. it's the fault of the system (insert food companies, big tobacco, drug companies, whatever)..

They look for a scapegoat and offer to "fix it for you".

How many people bought the "ab electrifier".. or whatever it's called. "You can now get a six pack on your couch". How dumb can people be?
people are dumb.

education is key, but it is slow. a quick way to induce change is by taxing the sh!t out of people for buying fast food so that it's no longer economically advantageous to buy fast food, and simultaneously incentive-ize offering healthy options
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but at least you won't have HTN and your lipids will be closer to normal than they would be without the meds, and you won't come in to the ED with a stroke or a heart attack
They shouldn't get care, period, if they can't afford it. The rest of us are paying for them because a) they can't afford it and b) because they don't get health insurance or cant afford that.

Look, I don't want to be a total hardass and I understand that some wage earners can't afford it at all. But I will be a hard ass...tough sh1t. Either a) change your lifestyle to be more healthy and make personal sacrifices (like not drinking soda or becoming obese in some other more feasible way) or b) cut something else out of your life to help pay for it.

If you show up to a hospital without insurance or without money, unless its immediately life-threatening, you get no treatment at all.

Its ridiculous that we've come to a point where people think that other people should carry everyone else along at their expense. This is NOT a ideal world where everyone loves each other and the spirit of humanity drives us, along with a desire to better ourselves and our own comprehension of our existence. The world runs on money and the reason we're in alot of the **** we're in at the moment is because people took what they couldn't afford and fvcked it up. That includes the banks/credit companies who were too willing to give the money out to people who didn't deserve it and couldn't pay it back.

The solution that has been suggested is universal care, where the more well-off are assumed to be able to carry everyone else. Classic re-distribution of assets and a skewed view of asset/wealth management of the well-off. And then as a result of this, the government decides what citizens can eat and drink because the system exists. The country has lost its fvcking mind.
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They shouldn't get care, period, if they can't afford it. The rest of us are paying for them because a) they can't afford it and b) because they don't get health insurance or cant afford that.

Look, I don't want to be a total hardass and I understand that some wage earners can't afford it at all. But I will be a hard ass...tough sh1t. Either a) change your lifestyle to be more healthy and make personal sacrifices (like not drinking soda or becoming obese in some other more feasible way) or b) cut something else out of your life to help pay for it.

If you show up to a hospital without insurance or without money, unless its immediately life-threatening, you get no treatment at all.

Its ridiculous that we've come to a point where people think that other people should carry everyone else along at their expense. This is NOT a ideal world where everyone loves each other and the spirit of humanity drives us, along with a desire to better ourselves and our own comprehension of our existence. The world runs on money and the reason we're in alot of the **** we're in at the moment is because people took what they couldn't afford and fvcked it up. That includes the banks/credit companies who were too willing to give the money out to people who didn't deserve it and couldn't pay it back.

The solution that has been suggested is universal care, where the more well-off are assumed to be able to carry everyone else. Classic re-distribution of assets and a skewed view of asset/wealth management of the well-off. And then as a result of this, the government decides what citizens can eat and drink because the system exists. The country has lost its fvcking mind.
Yeah it has, unfortunately; and the mentality outlined above is one of the many problems.
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People who cannot control their willpower will die early and eventually be eliminated from the gene pool. I'm not seeing a problem here.
Here's another problem. Those people will expect special treatment for their "disability". Like the fat people who take up 2 seats on an airplane but refuse to pay for more than 1 ticket price. Or how the fat people will expect "fat people accessible" kinda like handicap accessible.

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Yeah it has, unfortunately; and the mentality outlined above is one of the many problems.
These replies offer no substance whatsoever. You just sh1t on what someone else says and offer nothing.
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Right, it's the companies faults.
Liberals lol

I really, really dislike weak-minded people who have no self-control and no personal responsibility. And to the folks who coddle them, they too have no willpower. We need more people with backbones in this country who will speak their minds.
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Making food cheap and addicting?

I'd say so

That's a pretty pathetic standpoint.

I mean seriously pathetic.
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So wait a minute, we're supposed to tax the fatties but not tax the poor....what about the poor fatties? Or do they just suddenly turn to anti matter?

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