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Old 03-12-2013, 11:34 PM   #1
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Communism as it exists in nature





Because bees are such simple creatures without the mental capacity to that of us and our self-identities, such a form of governance works in harmony.
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Creatures without mental capacity or self-identity....that is a pretty accurate definition of the GOP at present.
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Creatures without mental capacity or self-identity....that is a pretty accurate definition of the GOP at present.


Not all...but I agree some.
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Fun Fact: if you break down the 5 types of arrangements based on how a surplus is distributed Capitalism is the closest to slavery.
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this is cute. we are able to watch bf develop his political self identity. Applying human ideology he opposes to insects. Better hurry up and finish Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand isn't as popular when you graduate high school.
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this is cute. we are able to watch bf develop his political self identity. Applying human ideology he opposes to insects. Better hurry up and finish Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand isn't as popular when you graduate high school.
Somebody forgot to have a cup of coffee this morning.
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Bees have thrived for tens (hundreds?) of millions of years, man in his present form for maybe 100+ thousand years. Just say'n, whatever they're doing, however they're doing it, it obviously works.

If Ayn Rand applied her objectivist philosophy more, well, objectively, rather than as a thin veil for selfish, amoral narcissism, she'd perhaps look upon bees rather fondly, what with all the expendable, dutiful 99% worker drones slavishly indulging the needs of an elite 1% queen.

Bottom line, any analogies involving bees and humans are grossly overstated.
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No. Just no. Capitalism is great.
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No. Just no. Capitalism is great.
In all its forms, including the rather corrupted version in the U.S.?
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I'd like to see how this is a fact.

edit: read communism

Now I see what you're saying.
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In all its forms, including the rather corrupted version in the U.S.?
No I probably should have specified. Pure capitalism is fantastic, as evident in places like Hong Kong over the past century. America is not the center of capitalism and is basically now a socialist country.
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Bees have thrived for tens (hundreds?) of millions of years, man in his present form for maybe 100+ thousand years. Just say'n, whatever they're doing, however they're doing it, it obviously works.

If Ayn Rand applied her objectivist philosophy more, well, objectively, rather than as a thin veil for selfish, amoral narcissism, she'd perhaps look upon bees rather fondly, what with all the expendable, dutiful 99% worker drones slavishly indulging the needs of an elite 1% queen.

Bottom line, any analogies involving bees and humans are grossly overstated.
Too many variables between people and bees. Now if only we could make all beings be productive and contribute...
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Its an analogy not to be taken as an exact. Were considered relatives of primates, yet they are at times cannibals and rapists, kinda like us humans. To the capitalist fanatics, theres a difference between rich and wealthy. Secondly, its not just about material goods, but also political power. The wealthy are a minority yet have huge political power. why? because their wealth buys them lobbyists that will petition wealthy interests'.

Besides PURE capitalism doesn't work read the wealth of nations by the fckn guy who basically wrote the book , adamn smith and you will see the need for "the invisible hand."
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Its economic theory that 100% free market works but like very depression has shown, its not the case. People are greedy and engage in risky transactions and deals that harm the majority (middle class and poor). Problem is we end up picking up the tab through taxes and the taking of our 401ks and other programs.
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Oh and just like any theory its meant to be falsified. Free market is more of a tradition than a theory now.
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No I probably should have specified. Pure capitalism is fantastic, as evident in places like Hong Kong over the past century. America is not the center of capitalism and is basically now a socialist country.
Too bad pure capitalism is also basically an intellectual fantasy in terms of actually existing and working in the rough and tumble of the real world in the face of an anything but pure human nature. Hong Kong is hardly some epitome of pure capitalism itself as it is hardly immune from the vagaries of human nature and corruption any more than we are. You'd probably have to go to some ungoverned failed state like Somalia to find something closer to approaching a pure, unrestricted pure capitalism of right wing idealization.

America never has been and hopefully never will be a pure law-of-the-jungle capitalist economy; it has always been a bit of a mixed economy which actually tends to comport more with our democratic republic political system with its balance of powers, laws, rules and regulations taming and tempering the wilder, nastier aspects of human nature.

Neither is it anywhere near being a socialist economy either, GOP/TP bombast and hyperbole notwithstanding. Ironically, perhaps the most socialist element of our society is the very one most adored and idolized by the right, our military -- the right can hardly help themselves but to extol and throw money at it as some ideological article of faith, never mind billion/trillion dollar boondoggles like the F35 program amongst many, many others. If only they would approach military spending with the same cold miserliness as they do with social/domestic spending.

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Too bad pure capitalism is also basically an intellectual fantasy in terms of actually existing and working in the rough and tumble of the real world in the face of an anything but pure human nature. Hong Kong is hardly some epitome of pure capitalism itself as it is hardly immune from the vagaries of human nature and corruption any more than we are. You'd probably have to go to some ungoverned failed state like Somalia to find something closer to approaching a pure, unrestricted pure capitalism of right wing idealization.

America never has been and hopefully never will be a pure law-of-the-jungle capitalist economy; it has always been a bit of a mixed economy which actually tends to comport more with our democratic republic political system with its balance of powers, laws, rules and regulations taming and tempering the wilder, nastier aspects of human nature.

Neither is it anywhere near being a socialist economy either, GOP/TP bombast and hyperbole notwithstanding. Ironically, perhaps the most socialist element of our society is the very one most adored and idolized by the right, our military -- the right can hardly help themselves but to extol and throw money at it as some ideological article of faith, never mind billion/trillion dollar boondoggles like the F35 program amongst many, many others. If only they would approach military spending with the same cold miserliness as they do with social/domestic spending.
You do have a point that true capitalism will never exist, but the closer we can get, the better it is for everyone. It is the natural way of determining who is smart and who is poor.

If any fanatic disagrees with capitalism, I have an idea for you: Sell your BMW, buy an old Civic, and distribute the leftover cash to the proletariat.
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