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Old 03-14-2013, 11:51 PM   #41
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You are a weird little kid.
I enjoy your remarks hotshot. Stay classy.
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Had to turn off the TV... Fox was making more sense than anyone else.

The rest of the world must be laughing at us now. It is so bad slipping to third world status...
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:57 AM   #43
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awesome comeback!
Not a "comeback", merely an observation.
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Well this thread took a turn for the best finally
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Creatures without mental capacity or self-identity....that is a pretty accurate definition of the GOP at present.
Ironically, those are traits also required for communism to work. Given human nature, it's unrealistic.

PS: You're the "I hate business because it screwed me over blah blah blah". Your opinion matters zilch.
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Ironically, those are traits also required for communism to work. Given human nature, it's unrealistic.

PS: You're the "I hate business because it screwed me over blah blah blah". Your opinion matters zilch.
is it really? Can you please provide a list of traits that are required for communism?

Like AOG, and NFRS you just pull all these 'facts' out of your ass?
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Ironically, those are traits also required for communism to work. Given human nature, it's unrealistic.
Actually the inverse is true. In order for communism to work it requires intellect and the capacity to think entirely rationally and completely devoid of emotion. But, given that your post demonstrate you are a highly emotional person, I am not surprised you fail to grasp this.

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Now that is comical. I have no objection to business. I have made quite a lot of money doing business. You see, I know enough about the real world of business to know that without certain types of regulations and labor laws, businesses would happily screw people over for higher profits and we would end up back where we started at the beginning of the industrial revolution. If businesses could get away with sweatshops, they would do so in a heartbeat if it made them more profit. That is the nature of business. That is not "hating business", it is understanding reality. Perhaps, one day, you will get there.
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Now that is comical. I have no objection to business. I have made quite a lot of money doing business. You see, I know enough about the real world of business to know that without certain types of regulations and labor laws, businesses would happily screw people over for higher profits and we would end up back where we started at the beginning of the industrial revolution. If businesses could get away with sweatshops, they would do so in a heartbeat if it made them more profit. That is the nature of business. That is not "hating business", it is understanding reality. Perhaps, one day, you will get there.
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Actually the inverse is true. In order for communism to work it requires intellect and the capacity to think entirely rationally and completely devoid of emotion. But, given that your post demonstrate you are a highly emotional person, I am not surprised you fail to grasp this.
oh brother, take your meds
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oh brother, take your meds
You really can't grasp it, can you. Capitalism is based on desire. Desire is an emotion. Communism in its purest form is the idealized city-state defined in Plato's Republic

"All is sacrificed to the common good and doing what is best fitting to your nature"

That idea (or ideal) can only be achieved through absolute rationality and logic, not emotion. It is also the reason why pure capitalism or pure communism will likely never exist.

Humans are hardly likely to ever rid themselves of emotion, nor is a collective of humans ever likely to forgo some good of the collective for person's self interests at all costs and allow that person to remain in the collective.
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You really can't grasp it, can you. Capitalism is based on desire. Desire is an emotion. Communism in its purest form is the idealized city-state defined in Plato's Republic

"All is sacrificed to the common good and doing what is best fitting to your nature"

That idea (or ideal) can only be achieved through absolute rationality and logic, not emotion. It is also the reason why pure capitalism or pure communism will likely never exist.

Humans are hardly likely to ever rid themselves of emotion, nor is a collective of humans ever likely to forgo some good of the collective for person's self interests at all costs and allow that person to remain in the collective.
You completely whiffed on Chase's point
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Communism is feared because it takes away class antagonism, and the people that capitalism behooved fear losing power. It's that simple. The only issue with that, is the proletariat is the only class with the ability to revolt, because they're vastly the majority and have the real power. Hence why our country feared communism would become more prevalent; it undermines the only legal power over society, money. Used to be race and money, now it's just money; and they'll fight to death to protect that power.

Communism is clearly more logical, but not possible in our country.
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I'm astonished continually by this thread lol
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FWIW, I'm not advocating for Communism, just stating it's more complicated than what the average American citizen thinks it is.
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FWIW, I'm not advocating for Communism, just stating it's more complicated than what the average American citizen thinks it is.
sounded a lot like you were to me!

Communism always fails due to the same reason that capitalism succeeds: Greed. Greed can emerge in many forms whether it be the greedy capitalist or the lazy do-nothing who knows his needs will be taken care of regardless.
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sounded a lot like you were to me!

Communism always fails due to the same reason that capitalism succeeds: Greed. Greed can emerge in many forms whether it be the greedy capitalist or the lazy do-nothing who knows his needs will be taken care of regardless.
most logical =/= best choice
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You completely whiffed on Chase's point
This. Missed it entirely
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i think where all of us are getting caught up in is in definitions. whats most logical is that the ideal system is a hybrid of the two. complete anything is hazardous to the aggregate (capitalism's inherited need for greed and peoples loss of creativity and individuality with communism). what we should understand is that humans work better when they work for a goal. whether at the individual or the aggregate level. if i can put my life on anything it would be that our best bet would be to have more national projects and a control over our resources. in the end all americans and all humans would be better off.
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