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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 03-16-2013, 08:59 PM   #1
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really.. HELP

SMG wont start, tried the "making sure the trunk and hood are shut thing". The breaks stiffer then all he*l. i tried pushing hard on the break.." i read about that " i turn the key two clicks see its in N then press break and no start.. all my lights are bright and i even hooked up jumper cables to give it a shot.. Is there anything at all i can do? anything? please help. :/
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:14 PM   #2
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If your brake pedal is hard, you are going to have to press real hard to move the pedal to de-activate the safety lock.

You can also disconnect your battery for 30 minutes. The reconnect and see if everything resets.
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:03 PM   #3
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Just tried all that. Now what? Should I get a salmon relay now?
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:07 PM   #4
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Salmon relay wouldn't hurt. Does the brake pedal move? You'll be able to feel the gear lever unlock. Does the pump prime? Is the gear indicator solid or flashing?
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:16 PM   #5
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The break petal is super stiff, gos into neutral. You can hear the pump so that's fine. It just won't start..
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:59 PM   #6
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If it's not the salmon relay what could it be?
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:12 AM   #7
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If you replace the relay and that doesn't solve it, your problem is more than likely your starter.

You have to make sure all the simple things are checked first. Battery terminals tight. Battery fully charged. Key/s working properly. Hood properly closed. Brake pedal is pressed HARD to engage safety switch. SMG pump primes. SMG changes from "R"/"1" to "0"/"N" when pressing the brake pedal.

After that, it's electronic troubleshooting. Codes need to be read.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:32 AM   #8
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If you replace the relay and that doesn't solve it, your problem is more than likely your starter.

You have to make sure all the simple things are checked first. Battery terminals tight. Battery fully charged. Key/s working properly. Hood properly closed. Brake pedal is pressed HARD to engage safety switch. SMG pump primes. SMG changes from "R"/"1" to "0"/"N" when pressing the brake pedal.

After that, it's electronic troubleshooting. Codes need to be read.
Ok I've dove everything but the salmon relay and codes. Is there anyway I can fin out exactly what it is? Or do you just suggest buying a new relay? Also the break is very stiff mind you. And I have already tried pushing it hard.
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After swapping the relay, you have to perform computerized troubleshooting. The first place to start is to see what the car thinks is wrong. From there, it get tricky and expensive.
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After swapping the relay, you have to perform computerized troubleshooting. The first place to start is to see what the car thinks is wrong. From there, it get tricky and expensive.
No codes came up. Should I still get the relay? I can right now
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:27 PM   #11
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Sorry for the delay, but mostly check the forum at night. If you haven't gotten a relay yet, get 2 first thing in the morning.


I say this all the time, "ALL SMG owners should have a spare salmon relay."
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:28 PM   #12
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Sorry for the delay, but mostly check the forum at night. If you haven't gotten a relay yet, get 2 first thing in the morning.
Why two? I just ordered one..
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:35 PM   #13
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They have been know to be questionable sometimes. Plus if it works you now have a good spare for if / when the new one fails.
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They have been know to be questionable sometimes. Plus if it works you now have a good spare for if / when the new one fails.
Ohh ok I understand. Also do you know if there is any sort of reader that would tell me straight up what my issue is?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:43 AM   #15
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this happened to me recently. I really had to push down the brake pedal to get it to unlock and turn on lol

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this happened to me recently. I really had to push down the brake pedal to get it to unlock and turn on lol
I mean i pressed mine pretty hard haha but i guess i will give it another go tomorrow, anything helps really. Did you like slam the break peddle?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:50 AM   #17
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Also guys my car is parked on a hill in front of my house. Im not sure if the incline may make a difference or not but i thought i'd just throw that out here
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Ohh ok I understand. Also do you know if there is any sort of reader that would tell me straight up what my issue is?
The answer to that question is NO! Although with the proper diagnostic tools, you can easily isolate the problem in a reasonable amount of time. The automated diagnostic tools (GT1 / ISIS) can perform electronic tests and provide flow charts for T/S assistance. Most problems are easily diagnosed via error / fault codes.

Certain component failures won't generate an error code because the component isn't being monitored by the control modules.
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The answer to that question is NO! Although with the proper diagnostic tools, you can easily isolate the problem in a reasonable amount of time.

Certain component failures won't generate an error code because the component isn't being monitored by the control modules.
Hmm alright, Well what do you suggest i do about the situation i am in? Wait for the salmon relay or are there things i could try?
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:37 AM   #20
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Check the battery cables (tight and clean), check the battery (fully charged), try a different key if you have more than one (if not, get a spare), rock the car slightly and see if the pedal get easier to press. Disconnect the battery for several hours.

Access to the starter is a pita.
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