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Old 03-19-2013, 01:59 PM   #1
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GOP "Post Mortum"

The GOP just came out with their Election 2012 "post mortum" report, Growth & Opportunity Project. It was a surprisingly frank report at least as far as it went, summerizing the GOP as basically a intolerant party of stuffy old white men (I think GOP chair Pribus used essentially these words or close to them.).

So, what to make of it.
  • A road to redemption and relevance in the 21st century?
  • A first shot in the GOP civil war between the establishment GOP, the movement faction, the libertarian faction and/or the social conservative factions?
  • Does it go far enough or too far? Or in the wrong direction altogether?
  • Will it suceed, i.e., will enough Republicans heed its suggestions to improve their electoral results in 2014, 2016 and beyond.
My own thoughts are that it is an fairly clear-eyed assessment of where the GOP is today, what some of its major problems are and some reasonably concrete things to do to improve their electoral performances in the future.

Where it falls short is that its solutions tend focus too narrowly pragmatic process and not nearly deeply enough into actual ideology and resultant policy. Thus, while the practical things they do suggest -- modernizing their outreach and and other campaign mechanics are useful, in the end, they skirt deeper issues and only may buy them some time.

I think another present danger with it is that instead of uniting the party towards a common goal, it may well aggravate already emerging fissures in the party, basically along establishment Republican vs. movement/libertarian/TP Republicans with social conservatives being sort of left out altogether.

So, in sum, a good first step but only that and certainly not anything approaching the fuller and deeper analysis and solutions they will need going deeper into the 21st century.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:07 PM   #2
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The GOP will get its act together. Time will testify that.
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The GOP will get its act together. Time will testify that.
If they could become the party of actual fiscal conservatism and not the party of talking about being fiscally conservative along with moving away from their archaic social stances I would vote for them all day long. I agree that they will change for better or worse, but I'm not sure if they will stick the time frame.
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Probably bimmerfan08, but the real question is will they get their act together while they're still relevant?
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If they could become the party of actual fiscal conservatism and not the party of talking about being fiscally conservative along with moving away from their archaic social stances I would vote for them all day.
Agreed. I have my fingers crossed for this.
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Nothing will change; they will just find a better face for the party, while still being monetarily tied to the people funding their party. It's politics. Only time changes.
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Probably bimmerfan08, but the real question is will they get their act together while they're still relevant?
I'm not sure. I would hope.

I tend to find a lot of the younger moderate conservatives like myself are very tolerant and accepting of the social issues. Unfortunately the younger crowd does not have the tenure nor the monetary disposal that the older socially conservative republicans do. I'm waiting for them to exit the stage.
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Maybe...

It would be great to vote real people in who actually give a damn about people and this country and not their self worth.
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I get the fact that "mortum" doesn't get through the spellchecker. That's because it's spelled "postmortem".
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It would be great to vote real people in who actually give a damn about people and this country and not their self worth.
The face is irrelevant. Money is what dictates the election, and it's a giant tug-of-war match. Politicians only care about what their target audience cares about, instead of the entire country. I hate the party system, most useless part of our government.

Fix Congress, shift the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court to take down corporations that deserve it, and you'll see change.

Right now the current administration has done a lot for the country, but Republicans ignore them and focus on the dumbest thing they can to stay relevant until the next election. Instead of building on success they don't agree with, they change it completely and circumvent what 8 years of work just did.

The system is way too flawed to assume a party fixing a couple kinks could change the country.
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Right now the current administration has done a lot for the country, but Republicans ignore them and focus on the dumbest thing they can to stay relevant until the next election. Instead of building on success they don't agree with, they change it completely and circumvent what 8 years of work just did.
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What's a lot? And with regards to what?
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The face is irrelevant. Money is what dictates the election, and it's a giant tug-of-war match. Politicians only care about what their target audience cares about, instead of the entire country. I hate the party system, most useless part of our government.

Fix Congress, shift the jurisprudence of the Supreme Court to take down corporations that deserve it, and you'll see change.

Right now the current administration has done a lot for the country, but Republicans ignore them and focus on the dumbest thing they can to stay relevant until the next election. Instead of building on success they don't agree with, they change it completely and circumvent what 8 years of work just did.

The system is way too flawed to assume a party fixing a couple kinks could change the country.
Such misguided, ridiculously naive idealism...
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What's a lot? And with regards to what?
In regards to his point, what I'm taking away from it is this:


The POTUS may have done 1 great thing for this country, or 500, the actual number doesn't matter. What matters is that most Republicans these days won't give any credit where credit is due regardless of the number of accomplishments. Look what happened to Chris Christie. There were rumblings of him being a possible 2016 candidate, but with the simple acknowledgment that the POTUS did a good job in his state during Sandy, he's blackballed like an annoying fraternity pledge.
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I'm not sure. I would hope.

I tend to find a lot of the younger moderate conservatives like myself are very tolerant and accepting of the social issues. Unfortunately the younger crowd does not have the tenure nor the monetary disposal that the older socially conservative republicans do. I'm waiting for them to exit the stage.
It would be nice, but I'm skeptical thanks to my conversations on more local/regional forums where I'm exposed to the more traditional Republican supporters and their "make no compromise on the issues" stance.
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It would be nice, but I'm skeptical thanks to my conversations on more local/regional forums where I'm exposed to the more traditional Republican supporters and their "make no compromise on the issues" stance.
I dislike that group wholeheartedly. So naive and ignorant.
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Such misguided, ridiculously naive idealism...
Please enlighten me.
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What's a lot? And with regards to what?
Do I need to break down exactly what has been done economically to fix this country? I can't do it right now, crunch time at school, but I can assure you there's a lot more done economically than anyone wants to admit.
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I dislike that group wholeheartedly. So naive and ignorant.
Over here I'm generally "one of those conservatives" because I believe in the Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, fiscal conservatism and little things like that. On my local forums, I'm a libtard...
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