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Old 03-21-2013, 02:34 AM   #41
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Wait a sec you guys are driving like this on a public road...? Sorry I just find this retarded.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:42 AM   #42
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This is a car that, uh, looks a lot like mine. Chase car is a good friend in his NA Miata with AST 4100s, 15x9s with 225 RS3s, yadda yadda. He's faster than I am.

I dont see how anyone can get their pants in a bunch over this, this is some nice stylish driving, looks very fun, cars are moving along but never reckless, stay in lane, not a densely populated area and nary a touch of hooliganism anywhere to be found. His car sounds fantastic but it is absolutely great to see old e30 looking so tidy throughout, a testament to its all time sleeper status. Very cool.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:19 AM   #43
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Man that looks like fun. I'd love to take either my bike or my car through that.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:46 AM   #44
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I dont see how anyone can get their pants in a bunch over this, this is some nice stylish driving, looks very fun, cars are moving along but never reckless, stay in lane, not a densely populated area and nary a touch of hooliganism anywhere to be found. His car sounds fantastic but it is absolutely great to see old e30 looking so tidy throughout, a testament to its all time sleeper status. Very cool.
agreed. I don't see any racing or recklessness, but i can see sharp corners where someone who doesn't know the course well could get into a bad accident if they don't (a) know their own limits and (b) respect the road and others. You can see how safely that billy dude stopped his car when regular cars/bikes/trucks were in front of him...and you could hear the squeal of the racing pads that were going to safely stop this car at high speeds.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:18 AM   #45
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Disagree. The dragon will test not only your knowledge of your vehicle, but it will also test your limit, and your balls/limit ratio, something a track can't teach you. I am FAR more exuberant on an auto-x than I am on the dragon. There is one guy in our group that no one, regardless of car can touch. Sure, there are faster cars than an s2000 on the dragon, but no one has the balls like him to drive at 11/10ths on the road. This guy talked A LOT of sh!t, and even after he crashed he was talking smack...almost like "dude I almost had you" when he claimed he can keep up with Bill (the guy Im referring to in my post.)



Here is a video of him running the dragon. Dragon starts at 13:40



The exhaust sounds like sh!t because one of the muffler's internals blew out.

I believe I was there when the yellow car went off. I can't see the video at work but if this the "Bill" that I think you are talking about, then yes, that guy is an amazing driver. Killboy himself said at the 2011 Wake the Dragon that Bill was probably the fastest non local that he has seen/ridden with and he is probably in the top 5 drivers he's ridden with on the road..period.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:06 AM   #46
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I believe I was there when the yellow car went off. I can't see the video at work but if this the "Bill" that I think you are talking about, then yes, that guy is an amazing driver. Killboy himself said at the 2011 Wake the Dragon that Bill was probably the fastest non local that he has seen/ridden with and he is probably in the top 5 drivers he's ridden with on the road..period.
Yes, that's the one.
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To each their own.
Agreed. I would still love to make a run with that dude someday.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:28 AM   #48
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BTW, the G/f picked up a MINI Clubman S this winter, so we will be heading to the Dragon for Minis on the Dragon in May. It will be my first time in the Elise, can't wait! All the previous time have been in the S2K and M3.
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BTW, the G/f picked up a MINI Clubman S this winter, so we will be heading to the Dragon for Minis on the Dragon in May. It will be my first time in the Elise, can't wait! All the previous time have been in the S2K and M3.
WHen in May are you going down? I saw a clubman on the Dragon. Looked like he was having a good time
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May 2 -5th. MOTD is probably the biggest event held at the dragon. So far they have 800 participants showing up with 534 Minis. So it's going to be crowded. And the Mini group is so diverse, you have your hardcore drivers and your oddball owners. So getting clean traffic-less runs will have to wait until night time (my favorite time to run anyways).
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When will there be an M3 trip? I'd be all for the drive down from DC.
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Wait a sec you guys are driving like this on a public road...? Sorry I just find this retarded.
The road is famous for it. Manufacturers even test their vehicles on it, and cops even allow it. It's one of the most famous "car roads" in the country.
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:37 AM   #53
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BTW, the G/f picked up a MINI Clubman S this winter, so we will be heading to the Dragon for Minis on the Dragon in May. It will be my first time in the Elise, can't wait! All the previous time have been in the S2K and M3.
Elise should be a monster if you have the testicles. The secret to speed on the dragon is driving a car with minimal torque. You don't want a vehicle that's easy to step out. There was a guy there last year with a ZR1 and he was having serious wheelspin issues. Because he had to sit in 1st and 2nd, he could barely touch the throttle before his wheels lit up. I bet that thing was quite a handful. The funny thing, I was a good deal faster around the dragon when my s2k was NA. Ever since I went with a turbo I don't push it as hard.
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May 2 -5th. MOTD is probably the biggest event held at the dragon. So far they have 800 participants showing up with 534 Minis. So it's going to be crowded. And the Mini group is so diverse, you have your hardcore drivers and your oddball owners. So getting clean traffic-less runs will have to wait until night time (my favorite time to run anyways).
Wow, thats a LOT....almost traffic.

BTW, IMHO, and only IMHO, hellbender>dragon. Its much faster, NEVER has any cops, and is generally completely empty.
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When will there be an M3 trip? I'd be all for the drive down from DC.
I don't think there is an "M3" run, but I do believe a number of BMW clubs go down there. To give you an idea how specific these runs get sometimes, last year, there was a mustang run....it was only yellow mustangs.
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Wow, thats a LOT....almost traffic.

BTW, IMHO, and only IMHO, hellbender>dragon. Its much faster, NEVER has any cops, and is generally completely empty.
I'm a little nervous with the Elise, only because of the Rear mid-engine don't lift or you will die thing. Other than that it will great. The dragon is actually alot easier to drive than hellbender, As you said, the dragon is slower and most of its corners are banked in favor of the driver. Whereas hellbender is fast flat corners and the road surface tends to be a little less groomed.

It's crazy how much the road has changed since my first visit in April 04 or 05 (can't remember). Back then the NC side of the dragon was crappy, gravel broken asphalt ect.. there were no PAVED pull offs, everything was dirt/gravel with a 3in + drop. Now the place is groomed like a race track, there is now 101 PAVED pull offs. And it never gets old! I've traveled alot for work, but it is still my favorite place in the world.
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I'm a little nervous with the Elise, only because of the Rear mid-engine don't lift or you will die thing. Other than that it will great. The dragon is actually alot easier to drive than hellbender, As you said, the dragon is slower and most of its corners are banked in favor of the driver. Whereas hellbender is fast flat corners and the road surface tends to be a little less groomed.

It's crazy how much the road has changed since my first visit in April 04 or 05 (can't remember). Back then the NC side of the dragon was crappy, gravel broken asphalt ect.. there were no PAVED pull offs, everything was dirt/gravel with a 3in + drop. Now the place is groomed like a race track, there is now 101 PAVED pull offs. And it never gets old! I've traveled alot for work, but it is still my favorite place in the world.
You can thank Deal's Gap for that. They are pretty active in keeping that road ship shape since the economy thrives or dies based on it. Hellbender isn't AS good as the dragon, I agree. I also agree with the flat corners and unpredictable terrain. After a big storm for instance, the deals gap crew will go out and make sure there are no branches, twigs, etc on the road. Hellbender is as the crow flies...sometimes you'll come around a turn, and you'll see a huge branch just laying there on the road. I always do one pass in each direction at normal speed to make sure the coast is clear and safe. I love Hellbender because there is almost never any traffic on it. No one uses that road, so I generally get a clear run from start to finish. Cherohala skyway is a blast as well.
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Hellbender is a blast. The surface transitions are pretty scary, though.
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Wait, there are paved runoff areas now? It's been a long time since I was up there, easily 7-8 years.
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Wait, there are paved runoff areas now? It's been a long time since I was up there, easily 7-8 years.
Yup. All the run offs are now paved. I remember years ago a motorcycle ran me off the road before the runoffs were paved. My s2000 didn't like it. I caught up to the biker later on at the Gap and gave him a piece of my mind.
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