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Old 03-20-2013, 12:08 PM   #61
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:34 PM   #62
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Wow, it's been a while since I've seen an argument like this. Brings back memories, haha.

I replaced just about everything in Mango's thread about 9 months ago. The piece of mind is what made me decide to take care of the issue before something happened. If I had followed the same logic and had more time I would have been able to avoid my fuel pump failing away from home, and my mechanical fan exploding causing damage to my hood.

I say do what you want with your own car, but in my case I need my car daily and therefore believe PM is a better decision. If I had a second car, I may not feel as strongly but I've been left stranded twice in my e46 and would like to prevent this in the future.

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Old 03-20-2013, 12:37 PM   #63
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Does anyone know roughly how long it takes to complete a cooling system overhaul?
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:42 PM   #64
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If you have to ask, budget at least an entire day if not a weekend. Varies wildly depending on experience level, tools, if you break anything, and so on.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:44 PM   #65
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Does anyone know roughly how long it takes to complete a cooling system overhaul?
I did this for a fanatic last weekend. I was there from 9AM to 2PM. That includes the test drive.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:49 PM   #66
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If you have to ask, budget at least an entire day if not a weekend. Varies wildly depending on experience level, tools, if you break anything, and so on.
I was budgeting an entire day but I just wanted a rough estimate. I've heard 5 hours. The luxury of 2 cars means it almost never has to be completed!
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:51 PM   #67
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Does anyone know roughly how long it takes to complete a cooling system overhaul?
It was my first DIY job on my engine(or any engine), I did cooling system overhaul (minus the radiator), spark plugs, and oil change in roughly 7-8 hours.

Always plan extra time to be safe as stated.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:01 PM   #68
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Again going to back Mango on this one. I see daily threads on cooling failures of some kind and going ahead and getting this out of the way can keep your E46 on the road for many years.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:05 PM   #69
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OMG, I did not replace my engine. I guess it will eventually leave me stranded. NOT!

Don't believe the doomsday kool aid.

You can be sensible and replace parts systematically and on your budget.

Just replace everything on fruit threads are too extreme.

Posters like star fruit don't tell the whole picture.

If you overheat, it does not mean a new engine only. Many have just replaced head gasket or even skimmed head for an inexpensive fix or god forbid, did not harm the engine only.

Fanatics need to make their own decisions. One sided posts don't do members here good.
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Mango, Grand Superpatriot is kind of redundant. I think the name could use some honing.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:16 PM   #71
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Mango, Grand Superpatriot is kind of redundant. I think the name could use some honing.
That's the point. It's supposed to be flashy. grand kodiak is redundant too but you don't see Alex complaining. It's like an extra extra tough kick ass kodiak bear.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:26 PM   #72
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OMG, I did not replace my engine. I guess it will eventually leave me stranded. NOT!

Don't believe the doomsday kool aid.

You can be sensible and replace parts systematically and on your budget.

Just replace everything on fruit threads are too extreme.

Posters like star fruit don't tell the whole picture.

If you overheat, it does not mean a new engine only. Many have just replaced head gasket or even skimmed head for an inexpensive fix or god forbid, did not harm the engine only.

Fanatics need to make their own decisions. One sided posts don't do members here good.
I have 300k miles and Mango, my friend, has never told me to replace my entire engine.

Perception is a very funny thing. It seems to me, that people who take this type of advice, as a doomsday threat, or brainwashing (kool-aid) are fearful people...don't be scared dude, just handle your preventative maintenance.

To address your comment on over- heating; I agree with you 100% , but can I point out that you indirectly supported this thread by essentially saying: (paraphrasing)
"That overheating may not require a new engine, you may only have to replace a head gasket, or skim the head."
Have you ever done a head gasket?

If so, then why would you ever want to risk having to do that job, only on a hunch that it might be salvageable?
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The poors don't like Mango's advice.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:40 PM   #74
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The poors don't like Mango's advice.
The poors, ironically, need it more than anyone else. The poors don't have AAA so a preventative replacement of WP for $70 saves them $150 tow, $150 wp, and $200 install. Right there you have the money for an overhaul.

Anyway, got to get back to replacing my engine before it fails me. Nip the problem in the bud.

If you don't support the grand superpatriot, you embolden the terrorists. I think you all should reflect on that a bit!
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:53 PM   #75
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In the past couple days alone, I must have seen 12 new cooling problem threads pop up from new members.

New members and seasoned veterans alike:

If your cooling system is original or you aren't sure, you absolutely need to replace the entire cooling system. Drive on blown shocks if you want, leak oil onto the driveway, have CEL codes like no tomorrow but if your cooling system fails, your day is over. You will need a new engine. It's the one thing you don't want to risk or cheap out on.

You chose the BMW badge now you must assume the responsibility that goes with it.

Expect to pay $500 if you are manual or $720 if you are automatic to replace the entire cooling system. The more you replace, the less your chances are of failure.

There is a giant army out there that will back this up, so don't worry. This information is tried, true, and tested throughout generations.

The link is in my sig or here:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=914109

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Thanks for this Mango, Being a new owner, I find this to be quite valuable. I just changed the thermostat, belts, idler, tensioner pulleys, when I had to replace the Oil Filter Housing gasket. (car is not completly put back together yet) It would be good to get this all done before Im done.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:57 PM   #76
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Thanks for this Mango, Being a new owner, I find this to be quite valuable. I just changed the thermostat, belts, idler, tensioner pulleys, when I had to replace the Oil Filter Housing gasket. (car is not completly put back together yet) It would be good to get this all done before Im done.
You are welcome.

This is exactly why this thread exists.
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You all act like Mango's getting rich off people doing Preventative Maintenance.

Um, to be fair, I guess I should ask: Mango, are you getting rich off this?
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:26 PM   #78
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You all act like Mango's getting rich off people doing Preventative Maintenance.

Um, to be fair, I guess I should ask: Mango, are you getting rich off this?
No I am not.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:28 PM   #79
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I've had everything necessary for a cooling system refresh since November

I think it's about time to get er done
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maybe Mango should have made this post and then locked it for a "for info only" Geezsh!
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