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Old 04-06-2013, 10:30 AM   #41
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Am more American then "american pie" am NATIVE AMERICAN and america has a responsibility bc its the richests. I love america but obvisouly your in need of a few college courses lol
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Yea, you're a real genius.

Now, go away. I am done with this nonsense.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:37 AM   #42
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I say we level the entire country. No ground troops, no mercy.

Give it to SK and leave.

The problem that we always have is that we are too damn nice in war. We lose lives trying to save others.

They are going to attack SK regardless.

Bomb, bomb, bomb, then bomb.

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Its really sad honestly. Risking and losing American blood to fight wars when we don't have to. Agree with you. Bomb, and if it doesn't work, a bigger bomb.
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I know my spelling and grammar horrible but am driving so yeah u go away!! Lol your at waist level when it comes to having a debate on foreign policy and the world around you!
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Its really sad honestly. Risking and losing American blood to fight wars when we don't have to. Agree with you. Bomb, and if it doesn't work, a bigger bomb.
Bombs don't win wars. We've learned that lesson several times now.

Boots on the ground win wars.
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I know my spelling and grammar horrible but am driving so yeah u go away!! Lol your at waist level when it comes to having a debate on foreign policy and the world around you!
Grammar has a lot to do with driving.
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Bombs don't win wars. We've learned that lesson several times now.

Boots on the ground win wars.
Japan?
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Japan?
You think Japan would have capitulated if they hadn't already been driven back to their home islands over the past several years? The firebombings of Tokyo were far more destructive than either atom bomb had been, and Japan didn't give up after any of those attacks.

Also, remember the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Great Britain, Germany , and every other instance where a nation thought they could bomb another nation into submission.
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What does fighting multiple wars have to do with how humane we are during war? It doesn't. We are the most powerful military force in the world and one of the richest countries in the free world. It is our responsibility to go to war and help those peoples that can not protect themselves.

Being the most powerful military in the world, we could level ANY country in a week. The fact that we never do, even though war has been declared, shows that we are compassionate to others including our enemies.

You are just some ignorant child who may have taken a few college classes and wants to act smarter than they are. You might want to take a few classes regarding the Korean War and the Vietnam conflict. Maybe you will become a little more knowledgeable about how America handles itself in wartime.

Clearly, you are not American, so why live here if we are so terrible?


Newbie is still a newb. But thank god you are not in any way affiliated with plannings/execution of bombings/warfare. The world would have ended a long long time ago with your attitude. Most powerful military force? No....we are up there. But certainly not the most powerful anymore. Our debt far outweighs our assets. You speak of a free world, the free world has a very strong sense of human compassion during wartime....There are general rules/policies of what is acceptable during wartime. Whether our enemy chooses to follow them, doesn't matter. Study up on that. We cant level any country in a week. Main players such as China, Russia, Europe all have the same missle/nuke defense systems we use... Hell, we got most of our technology from their systems. Most would be disarmed, falling onto a neighboring country/water source. Still destroying the planet. Either way, every country is intertwined with another. The saddest part.....is that you are an american. That's what scares me.
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You think Japan would have capitulated if they hadn't already been driven back to their home islands over the past several years? The firebombings of Tokyo were far more destructive than either atom bomb had been, and Japan didn't give up after any of those attacks.

Also, remember the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Great Britain, Germany , and every other instance where a nation thought they could bomb another nation into submission.
I honestly don't know the answer to that, I just know that it is traditionally taught that the bombs ended the war.

I would love to bomb NK into submission, some people just deserve to be punched in the face. True story.
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Newbie is still a newb. But thank god you are not in any way affiliated with plannings/execution of bombings/warfare. The world would have ended a long long time ago with your attitude. Most powerful military force? No....we are up there. But certainly not the most powerful anymore. Our debt far outweighs our assets. You speak of a free world, the free world has a very strong sense of human compassion during wartime....There are general rules/policies of what is acceptable during wartime. Whether our enemy chooses to follow them, doesn't matter. Study up on that. We cant level any country in a week. Main players such as China, Russia, Europe all have the same missle/nuke defense systems we use... Hell, we got most of our technology from their systems. Most would be disarmed, falling onto a neighboring country/water source. Still destroying the planet. Either way, every country is intertwined with another. The saddest part.....is that you are an american. That's what scares me.
What military force is superior to the US?

And our debt in no way shape, or form outweighs our assets.
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I honestly don't know the answer to that, I just know that it is traditionally taught that the bombs ended the war.

I would love to bomb NK into submission, some people just deserve to be punched in the face. True story.
Yes, because that's the easy-to-paint picture. The true story includes great stories like Guadalcanal, midway, Iwo Jima, the Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands, and many many other places.

The deployment of the atomic bomb was the final nail in the coffin, but the coffin was bought and built by the people who fought throughout the entire pacific theater.

Finally, which people deserve to be punched in the face? The millions of people that live in stark poverty and are fed nothing but lies from their government with little to no contact from the world south of the 38th parallel?
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Bombs don't win wars. We've learned that lesson several times now.

Boots on the ground win wars.
That would depend entirely on your definition of winning a war. Israel (more particularly the latest Lebanon war) is proof otherwise (along with Iraq and Afghanistan) that boots don't win wars at all, in fact, they are almost a guaranteed loss.
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What military force is superior to the US?

And our debt in no way shape, or form outweighs our assets.
China for example. So many citizens. In no time turn into troops.

What assets do you believe we have? We have no exported goods minus a few firearm pieces made by small groups here. Overpriced cars assembled outside of the US and a few crops = Nothing. The only thing we have to give is military support. And the oil we have been refusing to tap here on home soil.

Please correct my asset portion of the argument. I would like to believe we aren't headed towards imminent doom and have more to offer the world.

We are consumers. Period. Our debt is a perfect reflection of that.
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Newbie is still a newb. But thank god you are not in any way affiliated with plannings/execution of bombings/warfare. The world would have ended a long long time ago with your attitude. Most powerful military force? No....we are up there. But certainly not the most powerful anymore. Our debt far outweighs our assets. You speak of a free world, the free world has a very strong sense of human compassion during wartime....There are general rules/policies of what is acceptable during wartime. Whether our enemy chooses to follow them, doesn't matter. Study up on that. We cant level any country in a week. Main players such as China, Russia, Europe all have the same missle/nuke defense systems we use... Hell, we got most of our technology from their systems. Most would be disarmed, falling onto a neighboring country/water source. Still destroying the planet. Either way, every country is intertwined with another. The saddest part.....is that you are an american. That's what scares me.
Most powerful military force? No....we are up there.
WRONG BY A LONG SHOT. We are more powerful than all of Europe combined!

Our debt far outweighs our assets.
WRONG BY A LONGER SHOT. Our assets are far larger than our debt. A huge part of debt we do have is from helping other countries while the pvssies stood by and watched.

lol. keep on livin in your twisted world.
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I tend to agree that troops on the ground have more of an impact but with the millions enlisted in NK it would seem almost useless. Our army is moving away from manned attacks more and more anyway. Hence the drones we are still building and putting into operation today. I believe if any of this were to go down between us and NK (and I still believe secretive measures are being and will continue to be taken to try and prevent this scenario) we would probably have a shock and awe method. Considering we can't match their amounts of troops I would forsee a big two or three horrific bombing raid that would hopefully scare them enough to stop their ****. If that doesn't work then I really don't know haha. But alas I don't sit in the situation room so I have no real idea. Just thinking out loud.

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That would depend entirely on your definition of winning a war. Israel (more particularly the latest Lebanon war) is proof otherwise (along with Iraq and Afghanistan) that boots don't win wars at all, in fact, they are almost a guaranteed loss.
Semantics. Bombing Afghanistan by no means won anything. No war has ever been won from the air. Unless the objective of your war is "to bomb the crap out of them", bombs will not win any wars.

And who on earth says we're "losing" there? Have you been? Have you seen what's really happening there? Or do you just read about it?
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I tend to agree that troops on the ground have more of an impact but with the millions enlisted in NK it would seem almost useless. Our army is moving away from manned attacks more and more anyway. Hence the drones we are still building and putting into operation today. I believe if any of this were to go down between us and NK (and I still believe secretive measures are being and will continue to be taken to try and prevent this scenario) we would probably have a shock and awe method. Considering we can't match their amounts of troops I would forsee a big two or three horrific bombing raid that would hopefully scare them enough to stop their ****. If that doesn't work then I really don't know haha. But alas I don't sit in the situation room so I have no real idea. Just thinking out loud.

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When you talk about a number of troops, remember that they are conscripts plagued by malnutrition.

We have machine guns for a reason. Human wave attacks are not a great strategy.
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China for example. So many citizens. In no time turn into troops.

What assets do you believe we have? We have no exported goods minus a few firearm pieces made by small groups here. Overpriced cars assembled outside of the US and a few crops = Nothing. The only thing we have to give is military support. And the oil we have been refusing to tap here on home soil.

Please correct my asset portion of the argument. I would like to believe we aren't headed towards imminent doom and have more to offer the world.

We are consumers. Period. Our debt is a perfect reflection of that.
Do you even know what GDP is?

I am not going to name call or insult, but you are just ignorant.

Americans are just consumers? Really? We have the richest people in the world, one of the best if not the best standard of living in the world, are one of the most if not the more resourceful countries in world.

We do not NEED another country for ANYTHING. We choose to trade with other countries for "comparative trade advantages" (google it if you have not taken economics classes.)

We have food, water, gas, infrastructure, manufacturing, defense, multiple climates, advanced medical, and a stable political system. We do not need ANYTHING from ANYONE.

We are consumers. lol. What a joke. We consume whatever we want because we can. We don't NEED anything from ANYONE.

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