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Old 04-01-2013, 09:08 AM   #1
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Conservative Hero Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Comparing Homosexuality To Pedophilia

http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news...n-gay-marriage

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Dr. Ben Carson on Friday apologized for remarks he made earlier in the week linking homosexuality to bestiality.
“I love gay people. I love straight people,” Carson said on CNN's “The Situation Room.” “So this was really, I think, on my behalf, somewhat insensitive and I certainly apologize if I offended anyone, because I was not in any way comparing gays with people who engage in bestiality or sexual child abuse.”

Carson became an overnight sensation on the right after criticizing President Obama, who was seated directly to his right, at the National Prayer Breakfast earlier this year.
The pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins University has since ramped up his profile giving interviews to cable news outlets, but ran into trouble this week when he was asked to weigh in on the same-sex marriage cases before the Supreme Court on Sean Hannity’s radio show.
Carson said that marriage is “a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality — it doesn't matter what they are, they don't get to change the definition.”
NAMBLA is the North American Man/Boy Love Association.
Carson initially defended the comments as taken “out of context and completely misunderstood,” but the ongoing furor provoked students at his university to petition to have him removed as this year’s commencement speaker. On Friday, Carson said he would step aside if that’s what the students wanted.
“If the students want me to give it, I will give it,” he said. “If they don't want me to, if it's going to cause problems for them, I will be happy to withdraw.”
Following his apology, Carson reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage, saying marriage was “an institution that was established by God.” But, he added, that "as a Christian I have a duty to love all people and that includes people that have other sexual orientations.”
He said that marriage aside, gay and lesbian couples should have equal rights, such as the ability to visit sick partners in the hospital.
“I'm not sure that it's necessary for it to be called marriage for them to have equal rights. Nobody should have more rights than anybody else,” Carson said.
Why the apology if that's what he believes?
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:22 AM   #2
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Wait, he doesn't think we should be able to legally marry animals too? What's wrong with this guy?
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:54 AM   #4
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Why the apology if that's what he believes?
Perhaps true, at least he seems to forthrightly assert his correlation, which, however, makes it no less noxious or any more true.

However, he does sort of touch on the fundamental semantic aspect of this battle that I have also commented on.

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Following his apology, Carson reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage, saying marriage was "an institution that was established by God."...

He said that marriage aside, gay and lesbian couples should have equal rights, such as the ability to visit sick partners in the hospital.

"I'm not sure that it's necessary for it to be called marriage for them to have equal rights. Nobody should have more rights than anybody else," Carson said.
The semantical battle -- the term "marriage" and the perhaps broader terms like "civil unions" or something. The former comes freighted with religious meanings and connotations that the latter does not.

Ideally, the sacred aspects of "marriage" should have been very seperate and distinct from the civil/secular aspects, each relegated cleanly to their own appropriate realms. However, that is not the case and the term "marriage" messily traverses both the sacred and civil which I think gives rise to a lot of the pushback on the social/religious right. Perhaps one approach would be to replace the term "marriage" in civil law with the more secular term "civil union" to clarify and reinforce this distinction between the sacred and civil/secular, between church and state for the benefit of both.

Carson himself says that, in terms of civil/legal rights, "nobody should have more rights than anybody else."

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Why the apology if that's what he believes?
I'm not sure if you're too stupid to understand what happened, or if you're just ignoring the obvious answer to your question in an attempt to mock someone you disagree with.

If it's the former, lmk and I'll explain it to you in simple terms so you can learn.
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I'm not sure if you're too stupid to understand what happened, or if you're just ignoring the obvious answer to your question in an attempt to mock someone you disagree with.

If it's the latter, lmk and I'll explain it to you in simple terms so you can learn.
funny how you get your panties in a bunch with my posts. Carry on.
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So you understand or you don't? Don't want you to be left confused.
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Say what you really mean, then "apologize" for it - the new way to get the conservative message across.

Very clever.

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Rhumb, that is exactly how I see it. It is a semantic issue for the most part. Can't we just call it something other than marriage yet mean the same thing? I would think of it as a compromise.
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Why the apology if that's what he believes?
Same reason why Obama finally supported Gay marriage, popular opinion shifted.
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Same reason why Obama finally supported Gay marriage, popular opinion shifted.
Obama's stance evolved.
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Rhumb, that is exactly how I see it. It is a semantic issue for the most part. Can't we just call it something other than marriage yet mean the same thing? I would think of it as a compromise.
I recall going to a wedding in France. In the morning, more immediate family gathered at the city hall of the small town where the mayor performed a civil ceremony and all due legal documents were signed. Then a march across the street to the church (there may have been a glass of wine or two in this interlude) where the parish priest performed a church marriage with all that's involved with that. Then tromp down to their summer house where much wine was enjoyed. Then off to the reception proper where more wine was enjoyed ... gets blurry after that.

It struck me even at the time (10 years ago or so) as a brilliant solution to keep church and state well out of each other's affairs and realm to the great benefit of both.
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Obama's stance evolved.
Oh that's right, my mistake.

Liberals can evolve, the GOP is a walking/talking hate crime.
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Oh that's right, my mistake.

Liberals can evolve, the GOP is a walking/talking hate crime.
Close, but not quite.

Liberals allow their ideas to evolve overtime. Conservatards have to wait for God to create theirs.
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I go commando, no panties here.

So you understand or you don't? Don't want you to be left confused.
This isn't a misunderstanding nor is Chris at all confused by the article. He simply wants to discredit someone he disagrees with.
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This isn't a misunderstanding nor is Chris at all confused by the article. He simply wants to discredit someone he disagrees with.
I didn't discredit him. He did it to himself by apologizing. He's not an elected official so why is he apologizing if that is how he sees it? He cited his religious beliefs right? So stick to what you believe in.
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If popular option shifted to say interspecies marriage is ok, liberals would evolve to claim they supported it from the beginning.
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Hyperbole and sarcasm, but yes, a strawman as well.
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Hyperbole and sarcasm, but yes, a strawman as well.
Not an entirely false point, though. At one point homosexuality was looked upon the same as things like pedophilia, incest, etc. Pedophiles have a mental disorder, look at their recidivism rate. It isn't a choice, just like homosexuality isn't a choice. As a society we could have easily ended up cheering for equal rights for brothers and sisters if things went differently and hollywood pushed it.

Hell, who are we to say that homosexuality should be celebrated but polygamists are gross? Now we're nitpicking what is ok and what isn't? smh
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