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Old 08-08-2013, 09:28 AM   #41
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They'll create jobs alright....just not here.

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actually they do create well paying jobs right here in the US. many manufacturing companies are bringing it home, such as whirlpool and ge. look at the hundreds of millions of dollars they have recently invested in their US plants. companies that make stuff employ roughly ten times the number of people per million dollars in revenue than companies that drill and dig **** out of the earth

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Is this per year, meaning they save enough energy to drive 8,000 miles per year or just over the lifetime of the unit?
yes, this is each and every year!

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how much more money is a hp water heater going to cost over a standard wh at home depot that sells for 500 dollars installed ? and what is the payback ?

ditto for washing machines ......... a standard washer is 400-500 bucks and a hp washer will be in excess of 1k .......more than the new HE washers....saving energy is great, but so is saving money.

EV's are much more than a civic or corolla as well.


but..........i am all for creating jobs in america. I like the idea of energy efficient devices, but it has to be cost competitive as well.
here is some info on hpwh payback. from Home Depot:
1) an electric 50 gal with 12 year warranty is $428 and from the yellow tag uses an estimated 4879kW-hr per year. At the assumed 10.56 cents per kW-hr (which is prob a low estimate) operating costs per year are $520.
2) a hpwh at 50 gal with a 12 year warranty costs $1358. federal tax credit of $300 and then some states have additional credits, so assume $1058. energy use is 1792kW-hr per year with an operating cost of $191.

what's the payback? $1058+$172*X=$428+$520*X
X=1.81 YEARS!!! even without any tax credits payback is still under 3 years! if your electric rate is higher than 11 cents per kW-hr payback is faster. another interesting note about hpwh, especially for those of you living in the South is that as a byproduct of heating your water they discharge cool dehumidified air, so it will also reduce your air conditioning bill by a bit.

so why wouldn't you get one?!!! basically makes you $$$$!!!

it is actually the dryer, not the washer which will have the heat pump in it. same thing applies. yes, they will cost more upfront, but they use 60% less energy than a standard electric dryer. they also don't have a dryer vent, which is a benefit towards your bill for conditioning your house as you aren't discharging conditioned air from your home to dry your clothes. all the hp dryer does is have a condensate drain. you can use the water for plants or whatever. it basically dehumidifies your clothes.

an EV premium will pay for itself over roughly the lifetime of the car. that is, the premium right now is about $10,000 more than a standard model. an EV costs 10 cents per mile less to operate than a gas equivalent, so over 100,000 miles it will save you the $10,000. additionally it saves you the time you spent pumping gas, maybe 15 minutes of your time every two weeks. over 100,000 miles works out to about like 60 some hours assuming 400 miles per tank. no oil changes, prob another $1000 over that time. brakes last life of the car because most energy goes into recharging battery not burning brake pads.

probably too much info, but i think it's important to show how these technologies are cost effective today using REAL NUMBERS!!! it drives me insane to hear people bash solar and new technology just because they heard some incorrect facts. do the math to see the truth!
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