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Old 04-04-2013, 09:04 PM   #1
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Is it normal to start in 2nd from a stop?

My 2000 328i quite often starts in 2nd from a stop, even on a slight hill. I have to use alot more gas to get going. If I manually drop it into 1st it goes much faster and less effort. Is this BMWs design or is something wrong with my car.

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:21 PM   #2
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If you use the manual shifting mode on the step, the transmission automatically starts at second. There is definitely nothing wrong with your transmission, I believe all steptronic transmissions have the same system.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:27 PM   #3
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It does this in the normal automatic mode. Then I get annoyed with and put it in 1st manually

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:28 PM   #4
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If this is the way they designed the automatics I'm getting a stick next time.

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Old 04-04-2013, 09:50 PM   #5
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Mine doesn't shift into 1st until I come to a complete stop. If I roll through a stop it will stay in 2nd.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:01 PM   #6
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Steptronic transmissions start in 2nd when you're in D or manual manual mode and not touching the shifter as you decelerate. The transmission will start off in 1st if you put it in sport or manual if you shift it yourself. At least that's been my experience with my 2004.

Granted everyone in this thread has a different automatic transmission.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:15 PM   #7
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Steptronic transmissions start in 2nd when you're in D or manual manual mode and not touching the shifter as you decelerate. The transmission will start off in 1st if you put it in sport or manual if you shift it yourself. At least that's been my experience with my 2004.

Granted everyone in this thread has a different automatic transmission.
Does it stay in 2nd even if you come to a complete stop?
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:15 PM   #8
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Does it stay in 2nd even if you come to a complete stop?
Yes it does. The only way (that I know of to get the car into 1st is either come to a dead stop in Sport mode, or shift it yourself in manual mode.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:27 PM   #9
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Your car should shift into 1st at a full stop whether in Sport Mode or in D.

If it shifts into 1st in Sport Mode reliably, then there is a problem with the programming because the same solenoids and valves are used in D as in Sport, just the programming used to define the shift points is different. If the car does not shift into 1st in Sport or Normal modes, but it goes to 1st when you force it with the Manual Mode, then my money is still on the programming.

After all of that, what you have described is a sticking solenoid, which is a mechanical problem not a programming error. You might get some relief by flushing the transmission fluid.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:27 PM   #10
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My 05 X5 likes to stay in 2nd a bit as well. It never bothers me. But I drive it in Sport a lot as well.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:30 PM   #11
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My 2000 328i quite often starts in 2nd from a stop, even on a slight hill. I have to use alot more gas to get going. If I manually drop it into 1st it goes much faster and less effort. Is this BMWs design or is something wrong with my car.

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The 2000 328 uses the GM5 transmission. You will gain lots of insight of this unit if you read the SOLUTIONS FOR NO REVERSE PROBLEM Thread. It has charts to tell you which fluid you should use, and there is a good description of the valving problems related to this transmission.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:16 PM   #12
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Here is the information from BMW technical documnent for E46 transmission.
When gear shift pattern was monitored using INPA, it normally starts in 1st gear, but there are times it starts in 2nd gear when transmission control module (AGS) dectects stop and go driving like at a fast food drive through.

******** Quote from BMW tech document **********

The AGS driving programs are not adapted on a long term basis - nor is it stored
in the GS 20 control module memory when the ignition key is switched off.
The GS 20 continuously monitors the driving style and adapts to meet the current
driver requirements.

AGS FEATURES THAT REACT TO OPERATING CONDITIONS
Stop and Go Driving: This feature is activated by a defined sequence of shifts which are
as follows:
Upshift from first to second - followed by a downshift from second to first - followed by
another upshift from first to second. This is then followed by the vehicle coming to a
complete stop.
After this sequence, the transmission will stay in second gear. The GS 20 AGS program
has recognized stop and go driving and this function prevents excessive shifting during
heavy traffic conditions. The second gear start is cancelled when:
The throttle pedal movement exceeds limits (quick step on the pedal)
The range selector is moved to P, N or R.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:23 PM   #13
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Here is the information from BMW technical documnent for E46 transmission.
When gear shift pattern was monitored using INPA, it normally starts in 1st gear, but there are times it starts in 2nd gear when transmission control module (AGS) dectects stop and go driving like at a fast food drive through.

******** Quote from BMW tech document **********

The AGS driving programs are not adapted on a long term basis - nor is it stored
in the GS 20 control module memory when the ignition key is switched off.
The GS 20 continuously monitors the driving style and adapts to meet the current
driver requirements.

AGS FEATURES THAT REACT TO OPERATING CONDITIONS
Stop and Go Driving: This feature is activated by a defined sequence of shifts which are
as follows:
Upshift from first to second - followed by a downshift from second to first - followed by
another upshift from first to second. This is then followed by the vehicle coming to a
complete stop.
After this sequence, the transmission will stay in second gear. The GS 20 AGS program
has recognized stop and go driving and this function prevents excessive shifting during
heavy traffic conditions. The second gear start is cancelled when:
The throttle pedal movement exceeds limits (quick step on the pedal)
The range selector is moved to P, N or R.
Makes sense. Awesome. This is what I have observed.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:13 PM   #14
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Is it normal to start in 2nd from a stop?

Thanks for your replies guys, next time I'll buy a stick. It's up to 225,000 now. Still shifting the same. I'm hoping to get 300,000 out of it. Tempted to drop in a 5.0 with a 5 speed when this motor goes.

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Steptronic transmissions start in 2nd when you're in D or manual manual mode and not touching the shifter as you decelerate. The transmission will start off in 1st if you put it in sport or manual if you shift it yourself. At least that's been my experience with my 2004.

Granted everyone in this thread has a different automatic transmission.
Works the same in mine (2002 330ci)
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Old 03-20-2014, 10:38 PM   #16
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Six speed is a dream every time I drive it, and my ten year anniversary of picking up the car is April 1 in about ten days.

Sorry for all of you that must commute in stop and go traffic. Great reason for getting an automatic.
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