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Old 04-05-2013, 06:16 PM   #1
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Planned Parenthood Testifies They Support Post-Birth Abortion




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In a stunning moment of honesty for an organization that is usually so careful to cloak its abortion practice with other more benign services, Planned Parenthood publicly supported allowing a baby born alive after a botched abortion to be killed.

A lobbyist for Planned Parenthood affiliates in Florida testified last week against legislation aimed at protecting the life of an infant born alive after an attempted abortion.

Here is the actual testimony of Planned Parenthood lobbyist Alisa LaPolt Snow to Florida legislators, as reported by the Weekly Standard:

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"[I]t is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I'm almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?"

"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow. . . .

Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you're saying?"

Again, Snow replied, "That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.
She unmistakably repeats her answer several times. The official position of Planned Parenthood is that life of a baby born alive after a botched abortion, struggling for life on the abortion clinic table, should be legally in the hands of the doctor, the mother, and her family - despite the fact that the baby has now been born. Then, after these repeated assertions, she appears to suddenly realize what she has been openly advocating.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:26 PM   #2
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This woman is a monster.

With advances in technology, genetic testing is going on all the time. Word on the street is they've been testing to detect a "gay gene".

Let's say this "gay gene" is found and can be detected in-utero. Would the left still hold the same position as "it's the woman's choice" and that it's not really a life or would they start wetting themselves in the corner screaming because a woman chose to abort a little gay person?
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Post-birth abortions are a little outside even my moral compass.
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Post-birth abortions are a little outside even my moral compass.
Because it's murder?

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Because it's murder?

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Well yeah, obv. I'm just pretty liberal with the abortion stuff and even this shocks me. Oddly enough, these are the same types of people that want to incarcerate parents who spank their kids. GO figure
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This woman is a monster.

With advances in technology, genetic testing is going on all the time. Word on the street is they've been testing to detect a "gay gene".

Let's say this "gay gene" is found and can be detected in-utero. Would the left still hold the same position as "it's the woman's choice" and that it's not really a life or would they start wetting themselves in the corner screaming because a woman chose to abort a little gay person?
Yes, it is a women's choice. Full stop. Hell, I don't see why all of you have your knickers in a bunch over this.

I do however disagree with PP's statement. Any decision that's made should be left up to the woman and the physician, anybody else, including the rest of her family should be told to go pound sand.

Hell, I'd prefer the murder definition be egally changed and up to 7 days post delivery the mother should be allowed to drown the kid in a bucket.

Think what it would save the taxpayers....think of the taxpayers!!!
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Hell, I'd prefer the murder definition be egally changed and up to 7 days post delivery the mother should be allowed to drown the kid in a bucket.

Think what it would save the taxpayers....think of the taxpayers!!!
You're insane, and that isn't hyperbole. Let me guess, if I kill a pregnant woman it's still double murder though right?
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Post-birth abortions are a little outside even my moral compass.
I think you would have to more open minded and actually read what was said. They are talking about a botched abortion that "came out".It sounds more like a mutilated fetus that is now outside the womb and NOT a healthy baby brought to term and then smothered.

The media as usual portrays reality as horror and evil for the purpose of fueling uninformed deabates and publicity ratings.
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I think you would have to more open minded and actually read what was said. They are talking about a botched abortion that "came out".It sounds more like a mutilated fetus that is now outside the womb and NOT a healthy baby brought to term and then smothered.

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^ Ok,now what? Some stranger on the internet said an opinion that wasn't directly relevent to the actual topic of a botched aborted fetus. His comment was provoked into this thread by the media's artically sensationalizing a specific event just to spark opinions like that. Planned Parenthood has in NO WAY advocated murder of a healthy full term born baby and I think that women is being demonized by the uninformed public.

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I think you would have to more open minded and actually read what was said. They are talking about a botched abortion that "came out".It sounds more like a mutilated fetus that is now outside the womb and NOT a healthy baby brought to term and then smothered.

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That may be a safe assumption, but it's an assumption. The article doesn't specify anything about the baby being mutilated during the botched abortion, it is equally safe to assume this is a live viable baby they're talking about killing.

A "mutilated fetus" born alive is still born alive. What's next? A baby born with a cleft palate birth defect can be killed by the mother if she so chooses? If we go with this theory, where to we move the point of life beginning? Once the "post separation fetus" leaves the birthing room it's considered alive? Maybe only after leaving the hospital?
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Yes, it is a women's choice. Full stop. Hell, I don't see why all of you have your knickers in a bunch over this.

I do however disagree with PP's statement. Any decision that's made should be left up to the woman and the physician, anybody else, including the rest of her family should be told to go pound sand.

Hell, I'd prefer the murder definition be egally changed and up to 7 days post delivery the mother should be allowed to drown the kid in a bucket.

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It seems pretty clear to me. A botched abortion means an abortion that went wrong somewhere. It does not mean a baby being born with a cleft pallet or deformaty should be killed. The words were "botched abortion" I'm not sure how some can dig so deeply into those words to alter the true meaning and create a hypothetical senerio that doesn't exist to get all up in arms about.

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It seems pretty clear to me. A botched abortion means an abortion that went wrong somewhere. It does not mean a baby being born with a cleft pallet or deformaty should be killed. The words were "botched abortion" I'm not sure how some can dig so deeply into those words to alter the true meaning and create a hypothetical senerio that doesn't exist to get all up in arms about.

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You're interjecting your interpretation into the argument, without even a shred of curiosity as to what the truth is.
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It seems pretty clear to me. A botched abortion means an abortion that went wrong somewhere. It does not mean a baby being born with a cleft pallet or deformaty should be killed. The words were "botched abortion" I'm not sure how some can dig so deeply into those words to alter the true meaning and create a hypothetical senerio that doesn't exist to get all up in arms about.

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Botched abortion means one with an undesired outcome. With no further information, and knowing only that they're referring to a baby born alive, it is equally probable that the baby is born viable or "mutilated"
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I think you would have to more open minded and actually read what was said. They are talking about a botched abortion that "came out".It sounds more like a mutilated fetus that is now outside the womb and NOT a healthy baby brought to term and then smothered.

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Did you watch the video? The politician says nothing of birth defects in his question and the response includes NOTHING on defects. You're stretching to justify the comments made by a nutjob.

I'm fiscally conservative but am pro gay-rights and am in favor of legal abortions.... But I could NEVER side with the whack job in the video... Who was sent to portray the views of planned parenthood.. A group that has been pushing "what's acceptable" for years.
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You're insane, and that isn't hyperbole. Let me guess, if I kill a pregnant woman it's still double murder though right?

As far as I am concerned it never should be double murder..
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^ Ok,now what? Some stranger on the internet said an opinion that wasn't directly relevent to the actual topic of a botched aborted fetus. His comment was provoked into this thread by the media's artically sensationalizing a specific event just to spark opinions like that. Planned Parenthood has in NO WAY advocated murder of a healthy full term born baby and I think that women is being demonized by the uninformed public.

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PP has (at least since the mid-70's when I got involved in the abortion debate and started donating to PP) virtually always held the position that any abortion "decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician." They are not the morality police and rightfully so. They are making health services available at low cost, not moral judgements. PP held the same position during the arguments on the partial-brith abortion ban. Which, IMO, is a ban that certainly should be lifted immediately if not sooner. One can only hope that congress and Obama evolve their position on that.
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