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Old 04-10-2013, 02:01 PM   #61
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Conscious decision/choice vs. involuntary bodily function.
Who's to say that a woman didn't make conscious decisions/choices that triggered said miscarriage? If abortion is murder, then we have a responsibility to charge women who experience miscarriages with involuntary manslaughter. Let the courts decide. You cannot have one without the other. It would be illogical.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:09 PM   #62
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Who's to say that a woman didn't make conscious decisions/choices that triggered said miscarriage? If abortion is murder, then we have a responsibility to charge women who experience miscarriages with involuntary manslaughter. Let the courts decide. You cannot have one without the other. It would be illogical.
Indeed, let the courts decide. I'd gladly vote for such a law.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:56 PM   #63
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I make an excellent point and no one can invalidate the logic used to support it.

Women smokes crack and does daily belly flops from a couch to floor, yeah she be held accountable.
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Woman was robotically reciting a more general talking point line without actually considering the full context, at least initially. Is this actually the policy of PP or just the misstatement of a particular representative.

In reality, I think this would be a vanishingly small likelihood given that abortions are legal only up to the point of viability (23rd week, IIRC), i.e., an aborted fetus would not be able to survive outside the womb regardless of subsequent interventions one way or the other. In other words, this whole hypothetical is essentially intellectual/political trolling.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:31 PM   #65
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I meant birth. Huge typo
I was hoping haha
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Who's to say that a woman didn't make conscious decisions/choices that triggered said miscarriage? If abortion is murder, then we have a responsibility to charge women who experience miscarriages with involuntary manslaughter. Let the courts decide. You cannot have one without the other. It would be illogical.
Who ever accused the law of being logical?

In California, at least, the law recognizes an unborn fetus as a human being for homicide purposes--if a person kills a fetus, it's a homicide (murder or manslaughter depending on circumstances). The law then specifically carves out an exception for the mother--if she is the one who initiate's the fetus's death, then that's not considered homicide.
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Who ever accused the law of being logical?
You're looking for an answer to a question no one ever asked.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:43 PM   #68
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In California, at least, the law recognizes an unborn fetus as a human being for homicide purposes--if a person kills a fetus, it's a homicide (murder or manslaughter depending on circumstances). The law then specifically carves out an exception for the mother--if she is the one who initiate's the fetus's death, then that's not considered homicide.
As I said earlier in the thread, a law i would like to see removed from the books. But, alas, currently it is the law.
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Anyone that argues this sort of act isn't murder is a sociopath.
You say sociopath like its a bad thing.
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Not sure what you mean by that either. I was simply playing devil's advocate.


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Who ever accused the law of being logical?

In California, at least, the law recognizes an unborn fetus as a human being for homicide purposes--if a person kills a fetus, it's a homicide (murder or manslaughter depending on circumstances). The law then specifically carves out an exception for the mother--if she is the one who initiate's the fetus's death, then that's not considered homicide.
I haven't lost all faith in CA after all.
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I haven't lost all faith in CA after all.
Faith....we don't need your stinkin faith.
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By law, life begins at birth. Killing a breathing human, whether it be alive 30 seconds or 50 years is murder. If it were not murder, Lair would have been killed years ago.
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Faith....we don't need your stinkin faith.
You need my opinion and that of others. Otherwise that state would drive itself into the ground.
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You need my opinion and that of others. Otherwise that state would drive itself into the ground.
We need your opinion like we need an aperture in the cranial cavity. dbl
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We need your opinion like we need an aperture in the cranial cavity. dbl


I'm sure there are laws in CA that make even you scratch your head. Most notably the ridiculous traffic laws.
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Now you're just making words up.
That's my pregravitive.
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That's my pregravitive.
I have yet to see his jimmies rustled. Will you be the first?
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I have yet to see his jimmies rustled. Will you be the first?
Whose jimmies are we talking about? CINL's? I'm not seeking to rustle jimmies.
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