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Old 04-07-2013, 01:21 PM   #21
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On the exhaust? The average 335 driver doesn't even know the car is forced induction. Anyway, I actually removed that mod from my car. My vacuum tube was too dry to pull off the solenoid or whatever it is back there so I had to use this pinching device recommended by a VW R32 driver Didn't really work well and caused the exhaust valve to rattle so I removed it.
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Old 04-07-2013, 01:24 PM   #22
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If I can be honest the 135i I tested at the dealer was arguably the fastest car ive ever driven.

The one you drove was broken or something.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:36 PM   #24
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If I can be honest the 135i I tested at the dealer was arguably the fastest car ive ever driven.

The one you drove was broken or something.
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If I can be honest the 135i I tested at the dealer was arguably the fastest car ive ever driven.

The one you drove was broken or something.
I'd rather an e36 M
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:46 PM   #26
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The 335i is one nice ride but the 135i is where it's at, it's an E46 size package with the 335s engine. The best of both worlds!!
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:46 PM   #27
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there are many other cars better than the 135i, but an e36m just isn't one of them.
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The E36M is the last one that is truly "raw" and "vicseral"(sp). I think a lot of people that love them do so because it gives them the rawness that is absent in later models, even though it is miles slower.

I def wouldnt trade my M for a 135 but I can freely admit that the 1er felt like a fvcking lightspeed spaceship in comparison.
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:54 PM   #29
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:00 PM   #30
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I <3 my 335. Also, I've never felt that it was 'slow', even when I first got it and it was bone stock.

And 1.5 years later, it still doesn't feel slow
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The E36M is the last one that is truly "raw" and "vicseral"(sp). I think a lot of people that love them do so because it gives them the rawness that is absent in later models, even though it is miles slower.
This ^^

The E36 M3 might not out perform it but it just delivers a more connected experienced between driver and machine. My brother had one a few years ago it was an awesome car. I really enjoyed driving it, pretty quick with great steering, great brake feel and an LSD. Not that the 1er doesn't have great steering and braking feel(which it does) but it also adds a bit of refinement as well to make it a great DD oppose to the E36 M3.
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Its.. Different.

A E46 M3 sort of smoothly whooshes you away with the power and then delivers the grunt at higher RPM's

The E36 M3 has this snarl that is evident from like 2K up. Virtually no rasp like the E46, the sound is very gutteral. The best way I can describe the exhaust note is a muscle car baby that was left crying and screaming in a cold field who was found and nurtured by the Germans into this refined, musical machine. Thats the biggest difference in my opinion; the muscular sound at low RPM's which is sadly absent in every model thereafter.
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:03 PM   #33
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335 w/ JB4 All that torque... From 0-60 it's a hell of a lot more fun than an E92 M3


So fast, but really need the right conditions for the tires to grip. I'm running 255 Michelin Pilot Super Sports too.
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loved my wife's 335 with sport package. stiff as fvck and loved the steering feel , it almost felt like it had no power steering.
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Its.. Different.

A E46 M3 sort of smoothly whooshes you away with the power and then delivers the grunt at higher RPM's

The E36 M3 has this snarl that is evident from like 2K up. Virtually no rasp like the E46, the sound is very gutteral. The best way I can describe the exhaust note is a muscle car baby that was left crying and screaming in a cold field who was found and nurtured by the Germans into this refined, musical machine. Thats the biggest difference in my opinion; the muscular sound at low RPM's which is sadly absent in every model thereafter.
nicely put

Although the Euro E36 motor is no crying baby. American E36 M3 owners got gypped.

There's E46 owners on M3F who argue the exact opposite and they own both cars. Basically that the E46 M3 is more harsh and raw feeling. It's all subjective though.
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The 335i is one nice ride but the 135i is where it's at, it's an E46 size package with the 335s engine. The best of both worlds!!
Actually the 1 series is a lot shorter than the E46- closer to E30 sized IIRC. But it is slightly over E46 weight.

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there are many other cars better than the 135i, but an e36m just isn't one of them.
It depends on what you're looking for. For 4/5 enthusiasts you're right, but not for everyone.

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There's E46 owners on M3F who argue the exact opposite and they own both cars. Basically that the E46 M3 is more harsh and raw feeling. It's all subjective though.
I think the motor and driveline in the E46 M3 is much rawer, but the suspension in the E36 M3 has a more connected feeling.

In my opinion, as far as handling prowess is concerned, from worst-best it goes: E30->E90->E46->E36.

That's not a fun scale to be sure, otherwise the E30 would be far higher on the list.

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Old 04-07-2013, 05:35 PM   #38
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Its.. Different.

A E46 M3 sort of smoothly whooshes you away with the power and then delivers the grunt at higher RPM's

The E36 M3 has this snarl that is evident from like 2K up. Virtually no rasp like the E46, the sound is very gutteral. The best way I can describe the exhaust note is a muscle car baby that was left crying and screaming in a cold field who was found and nurtured by the Germans into this refined, musical machine. Thats the biggest difference in my opinion; the muscular sound at low RPM's which is sadly absent in every model thereafter.
It sounds just like a zhp...it's deep and doesn't rasp because its not a racecar engine that the s52 is. Or the euro version.

Compression has a lot to do with exhaust sound. The 11:5.1 s54 with ITB's will scream/rasp more than essentially a bored/stroked m52 with a bigger intake and single vanos.

That said the e36 is no slouch. Fun to drive.
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Nuh uh, I've had both and the ZHP and E36 M3 do not sound the same.

The M3 has more engine/intake grunt/growl, while the ZHP actually has a deeper sounding exhaust; the deep sound does not come from the motor.

I know the exhaust sound is the motor but you guys know what I mean.
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:42 PM   #40
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loved my wife's 335 with sport package. stiff as fvck and loved the steering feel , it almost felt like it had no power steering.
WHAT!?

Oh. You drive Mercedeses. That explains it.

Well, I'll let you in on a secret. BMW told us not to tell you this but it seems like I might as well. a 335 may be kinda stiff for you and have good steering feel, but think about what a properly set up M car would drive like.
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