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Old 04-08-2013, 02:06 PM   #41
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Just another thing wrong with our society today. I doubt there are many individuals who have done something like this and were able to keep a difficult/high paying job.
I'm not filipino. But i know a few filipino moms, through friends, that they do have fake certificates, diplomas, and fake transcripts from the USA and from their home Country showing they have completed this and that. With both countries papers being combined, they are able to get jobs at hospital, practice office as a nurse assistant, or something in the medical field. Not doctors tho..

And there's one that is a dentist, with fake cert.

Supposedly its the norm for them to get their foot in the door.
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Is that not what you are arguing?
"Didn't go to college" is FAR too broad. Some don't go to college and sit on their ass in their parents basement. Others go to a trade school, go get a job or two, and work their way up in the world. Plenty of people have succeeded (and exceeded) those that have gone to college. For the record, I graduated college (just think that is was a waste of my time, and I would have loved someone to talk me out of it back then). Luckily for me, I worked through my college years, so I wasn't "behind" on experience. Again, those statistics posted above show what the AVERAGE person is. I don't think that way, and subscribe to the notion that if someone is motivated and a hard worker (basically someone that strives to be far above average) they will benefit from skipping college and doing something else, that is, unless they are looking to be a professional.
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If every construction worker makes a lot, then why are there so many at Home Depot looking for work?
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Others go to a trade school, go get a job or two, and work their way up in the world.
I would lump those folks into the same category as people getting associates/bachelors. While not a "traditional" college, it's continuing education.
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If every construction worker makes a lot, then why are there so many at Home Depot looking for work?
Big difference between a construction worker and a laborer. Hell, even the laborers you are making fun of make about 10 bucks cash an hour, which works out to be almost double the minimum wage. I don't know about the rest of the country, but construction workers on the east coast are busy for the next 5 years thanks to Sandy.
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Big difference between a construction worker and a laborer. Hell, even the laborers you are making fun of make about 10 bucks cash an hour, which works out to be almost double the minimum wage. I don't know about the rest of the country, but construction workers on the east coast are busy for the next 5 years thanks to Sandy.
who is sandy?
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I would lump those folks into the same category as people getting associates/bachelors. While not a "traditional" college, it's continuing education.
Again, when I say "don't go to college, do something else" I don't advocate sitting at home scratching your ass. In those 4 years, you can still live with your parents, and work a decent job. Save up all the money, and you might be able to start a small business, a foodtruck, etc. The problem is simple. The reality is, college is not for everyone. Some people will benefit NOT going to college and pursue other avenues. Our society dictates (and indoctrinates) that everyone MUST go to college, you are less of a person if you don't, etc. Im not even going to bring up the subject of actual education, since that's a personal opinion, but I have found (and I come across a large number of people on a weekly basis) that college grads are not necessarily people that I would call "well educated." I guess thats the rat race logic people are instilled with. Few people are happy with their job/financial situation nowadays.
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who is sandy?
Sorry, Hurricane Sandy.
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Big difference between a construction worker and a laborer. Hell, even the laborers you are making fun of make about 10 bucks cash an hour, which works out to be almost double the minimum wage. I don't know about the rest of the country, but construction workers on the east coast are busy for the next 5 years thanks to Sandy.
For someone who has a college degree, please explain the difference between a laborer and construction worker.

Where in the US is minimum wage $5?
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Again, when I say "don't go to college, do something else" I don't advocate sitting at home scratching your ass. In those 4 years, you can still live with your parents, and work a decent job. Save up all the money, and you might be able to start a small business, a foodtruck, etc. The problem is simple. The reality is, college is not for everyone. Some people will benefit NOT going to college and pursue other avenues. Our society dictates (and indoctrinates) that everyone MUST go to college, you are less of a person if you don't, etc. Im not even going to bring up the subject of actual education, since that's a personal opinion, but I have found (and I come across a large number of people on a weekly basis) that college grads are not necessarily people that I would call "well educated." I guess thats the rat race logic people are instilled with. Few people are happy with their job/financial situation nowadays.
Whats the point of school then? Why not just work from the age 14 instead?
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Except there are WAY too many kids dressing like this these days :



When I was there, it was nothing but tshirts, jeans, and sandals.
Could you be anymore dull? How can anyone stand to be around you?
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Could you be anymore dull? How can anyone stand to be around you?
That guy is worried about how people dress? LOL
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"Didn't go to college" is FAR too broad. Some don't go to college and sit on their ass in their parents basement. Others go to a trade school, go get a job or two, and work their way up in the world. Plenty of people have succeeded (and exceeded) those that have gone to college. For the record, I graduated college (just think that is was a waste of my time, and I would have loved someone to talk me out of it back then). Luckily for me, I worked through my college years, so I wasn't "behind" on experience. Again, those statistics posted above show what the AVERAGE person is. I don't think that way, and subscribe to the notion that if someone is motivated and a hard worker (basically someone that strives to be far above average) they will benefit from skipping college and doing something else, that is, unless they are looking to be a professional.
I'm doubting stats for that exist but I understand what your saying. I also disagree.
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Whats the point of school then? Why not just work from the age 14 instead?
Some people have achieved great success by working from a very young age, however, they are not the norm, but are rare exceptions. It is still in the child's benefit to receive a high-school education, so they at least have the basics.
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For someone who has a college degree, please explain the difference between a laborer and construction worker.

Where in the US is minimum wage $5?
A construction worker is actually employed and doesn't stand around the home depot parking lot waiting for someone to give him something to do.
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Chart 3: Unemployment Rate for Blacks and Whites aged 25 and older, by Educational Attainment, 2011 Annual Average



Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Population Survey

http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
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I'm doubting stats for that exist but I understand what your saying. I also disagree.
Some extreme examples...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_billionaires

I even remember back in the day when Trump had his Apprentice show on, one season was ivy league people vs high school grads. The high school grads had 2x + the net worth of the college grads. Again, not the norm, but it largely depends on the motivation of the person. A person with drive will be more successful with or without college than an ivy leaguer with no motivation. I don't think college dictates your level of success. Either you have it or you don't.
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Some people have achieved great success by working from a very young age, however, they are not the norm, but are rare exceptions. It is still in the child's benefit to receive a high-school education, so they at least have the basics.
quoted for conflicting arguments.
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Chart 3: Unemployment Rate for Blacks and Whites aged 25 and older, by Educational Attainment, 2011 Annual Average



Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Population Survey

http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/blacklaborforce/
Again, for me, this chart is far too broad. I understand that there is no other way to graph this statistic, but in reality, a person with a highschool diploma CAN achieve success, if they are a motivated person.
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Some extreme examples...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_billionaires

I even remember back in the day when Trump had his Apprentice show on, one season was ivy league people vs high school grads. The high school grads had 2x + the net worth of the college grads. Again, not the norm, but it largely depends on the motivation of the person. A person with drive will be more successful with or without college than an ivy leaguer with no motivation. I don't think college dictates your level of success. Either you have it or you don't.
LOL 31 people out of 7 billion people, what does that probability look like?

Apprentice is a reality show, they are scripted.
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