E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > Everything Else > The Off-Topic > General Off-Topic

General Off-Topic
Everything not about BMWs. Posts must be "primetime" safe and in good taste. You must be logged in to see sub-forums.
Click here to browse all new posts.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-08-2013, 03:20 PM   #81
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
It's honestly not construction workers. Hell, career big city waiters will outearn the average college grad.
Compare the top 5% of waiters to the top 5% of individuals with a college degree. Let us know the difference in income.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:22 PM   #82
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
Compare the top 5% of waiters to the top 5% of individuals with a college degree. Let us know the difference in income.
That would obviously tip the scales towards the college grads, but on average, I think the scale would tip the other way.
__________________
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:31 PM   #83
Act of God
E46Fanatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NY
Posts: 333
My Ride: 3.5 Liters of fury
Send a message via AIM to Act of God
I'm convinced people just make up **** on their resumes anyway, I've caught some people from law school lying about being on Law Review and stuff. No one ever checks, so I'm not surprised. If you're already a few years out, you can put anything on your resume and people will believe it.
__________________
Gold Medal Recipient: Jimmy Rustling (2014)
Act of God is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:32 PM   #84
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
That would obviously tip the scales towards the college grads, but on average, I think the scale would tip the other way.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:36 PM   #85
217Bimmer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 143
My Ride: 2001 BMW 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
he obviously didn't go to college lol
217Bimmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:38 PM   #86
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Act of God View Post
I'm convinced people just make up **** on their resumes anyway, I've caught some people from law school lying about being on Law Review and stuff. No one ever checks, so I'm not surprised. If you're already a few years out, you can put anything on your resume and people will believe it.
The only reason an applicant should be allowed to get away with lying on their resume is if the individual(s) screening said applicant did not do a thorough job. It's standard practice to ask a candidate about specific points on their resume. They might be able to get away with a point here or there if they've rehearsed every point, but eventually you'll see cracks in their story.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:40 PM   #87
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
The waiters at our average restaurants make about $$200-300ish a day (take home). I don't think the average college grad (of the same age) in NYC makes that much. The waiters at Cipriani's, smith and wollensky, etc can clear a nearly 250K effective salary. Maybe I am misjudging other major cities, but I thought places like Miami, vegas, LA, Chicago, etc have a strong (well paid) service industry.)
__________________

Last edited by NFRs2000nyc; 04-08-2013 at 03:43 PM.
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:42 PM   #88
217Bimmer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 143
My Ride: 2001 BMW 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
The waiters at our average restaurants make about $$200-300ish a day (take home). I don't think the average college grad (of the same age) in NYC makes that much. The waiters at Cipriani's, smith and wollensky, etc can clear a nearly 250K effective salary.
no, i make that in an hour.
217Bimmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #89
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by 217Bimmer View Post
no, i make that in an hour.
Then you are far FAR above average.
__________________
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #90
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
The waiters at our average restaurants make about $$200-300ish a day (take home).
On average, no one works with or for you.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 03:59 PM   #91
Volvoguy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nyc
Posts: 18
My Ride: IS300;Volvo s60T;
Based on my experience, I feel college is the base education level for almost all professional fields.

Yes I do agree that slackers who go to lackawana community college will have a hard time in the "real" world, but it shows at least that the kid could wake up, get dressed, sit there, LISTEN, learn something (questionable), and get a passing grade.

We are talking about the bottom common denominator here. Someone who is intelligent, motivated, works hard, will succeed in almost any field, should he be a landscaper or an entrepreneur. You take the top 5 percentile out both college and non college samples, you will have the majority of people benefiting from having a higher education degree vs. non degree.

It's sort of like owning a gun, it's useless until the day you need it and vice versa.
__________________
Volvoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:02 PM   #92
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by casino is no lie View Post
On average, no one works with or for you.
Well, for the most part, my staff pool is "average" people. Usually people from their mid 20s to their mid 30s (I have a few older in their 40s, but that's not the average) from a variety of places all around the country, some in school, some finished school, some never went to school.
__________________
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:07 PM   #93
simsima325
'a certain moderator'
 
simsima325's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Hyattsville, MD
Posts: 37,639
My Ride: Honda Civic
I clicked for the ridicule of OP, I stayed for the ridicule of Chase.
__________________
-Brendan
simsima325 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:07 PM   #94
casino is no lie
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: CDT
Posts: 76
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
Well, for the most part, my staff pool is "average" people. Usually people from their mid 20s to their mid 30s (I have a few older in their 40s, but that's not the average) from a variety of places all around the country, some in school, some finished school, some never went to school.
Your staff is not a representative sample that generalizes to the population.
__________________
casino is no lie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:10 PM   #95
Volvoguy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nyc
Posts: 18
My Ride: IS300;Volvo s60T;
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
Well, for the most part, my staff pool is "average" people. Usually people from their mid 20s to their mid 30s (I have a few older in their 40s, but that's not the average) from a variety of places all around the country, some in school, some finished school, some never went to school.
My roommate is an actor/ musician that works at a rest. in the upper west side.

I think he clears at least 200-400 per day/ weekend (works 4 days a week)

Although it does pay the bills it is not a lifestyle that I would personally prefer.

1. Being told what to do by people that are spending peanuts. If I am going to be bossed around, I am going to learn something from this opportunity that will make me more skilled or enable me to leverage this skill for future careers.

2. The hours are reverse, working weekends/ evenings. I prefer M-F 8:30- 6:00, nights and weekends are mine.

3. No health insurance/ job security.

4. Depreciating asset, bartenders can make a ton of loot at trendy bars, but what happens when you turn 40, balding and gaining a little weight? Are you thrown to the curb?
__________________
Volvoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:17 PM   #96
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volvoguy View Post
My roommate is an actor/ musician that works at a rest. in the upper west side.

I think he clears at least 200-400 per day/ weekend (works 4 days a week)

Although it does pay the bills it is not a lifestyle that I would personally prefer.

1. Being told what to do by people that are spending peanuts. If I am going to be bossed around, I am going to learn something from this opportunity that will make me more skilled or enable me to leverage this skill for future careers.

2. The hours are reverse, working weekends/ evenings. I prefer M-F 8:30- 6:00, nights and weekends are mine.

3. No health insurance/ job security.

4. Depreciating asset, bartenders can make a ton of loot at trendy bars, but what happens when you turn 40, balding and gaining a little weight? Are you thrown to the curb?
A lot of what you say is true. There is little job security, especially at the trendy spots (although some owners and managers know and value good staff.) The schedule sucks, but the younger people seem to prefer it. Health insurance they can get themselves, they sure make enough. Half the restaurant world is on drugs and spends $100 a night on after shift drinks at their local watering hole. As for the depreciating asset, yes, at the trendy places, they want the hot people to bring in and keep the clientele (usually bartenders.) Waiters a more forgiving. However, at higher end places, (like steak houses) you will often see much older (50s+) bartenders and waiters.

As for your first point about being told what to do, honestly, it's not that different than being told what to do on a daily basis sitting in a cubicle. At least in the restaurant world, those people leave after 2 hours.
__________________

Last edited by NFRs2000nyc; 04-08-2013 at 04:18 PM.
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:29 PM   #97
Volvoguy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nyc
Posts: 18
My Ride: IS300;Volvo s60T;
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
A lot of what you say is true. There is little job security, especially at the trendy spots (although some owners and managers know and value good staff.) The schedule sucks, but the younger people seem to prefer it. Health insurance they can get themselves, they sure make enough. Half the restaurant world is on drugs and spends $100 a night on after shift drinks at their local watering hole. As for the depreciating asset, yes, at the trendy places, they want the hot people to bring in and keep the clientele (usually bartenders.) Waiters a more forgiving. However, at higher end places, (like steak houses) you will often see much older (50s+) bartenders and waiters.

As for your first point about being told what to do, honestly, it's not that different than being told what to do on a daily basis sitting in a cubicle. At least in the restaurant world, those people leave after 2 hours.
I work in a specialized finance company.

The hierarchic structure of the firm is President/ My director/ myself within our business team.

I am not bossed around, but I know exactly my expectations and what my job is at the company.

One big perk of this job is that I get exposure to great business leaders, CFO's of fortune 500's, my boss who has been in the industry over 15 years, and the President herself who has started 2 companies in the past (this one being the largest, we are part of a conglomerate).

The value to me is that I get to engage in conversations/ best practices that I would never have the ability to should I not have the good fortune of working where I work, with the people I work with.

My point is, everyone has a boss... CEO's of fortune 500 answer to the board/ stock holders.

I want my bosses to be people deserving of my time, rather than some guy/gal that decides to spend 100 dollars on a meal, and has my undivided attention during that time.
__________________

Last edited by Volvoguy; 04-08-2013 at 04:34 PM.
Volvoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:35 PM   #98
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volvoguy View Post
I work in a specialized finance company.

The hierarchic structure of the firm is President/ My director/ myself within our business team.

I am not bossed around, but I know exactly my expectations and what my job is at the company.

One big perk of this job is that I get exposure to great business leaders, CFO's of fortune 500's, my boss who has been in the industry over 15 years, and the President herself who has opened 2 companies in the past (this one being the largest, we are part of a conglomerate).

The value to me is that I get to engage in conversations/ best practices that I would never have the ability to should I not have the good fortune of working where I work, with the people I work with.

My point is, everyone has a boss... CEO's of fortune 500 answer to the board/ stock holders.

I want my bosses to be people deserving of my time, rather than some guy/gal that decides to spend 100 dollars on a meal, and has my undivided attention during that time.
Fair point. You are also above average. Few people have the luxury of having bosses they like.

Funny you should bring up the CEO thing. The CEO of Jet Blue, David Barger used to come in every thursday for breakfast with a few other guys (the president of the port authority, etc) while they were building T5 and used to hook me up with tickets from time to time. We also had a lot of music industry execs hang out, along with "celebrity" chefs like Todd English. I rubbed shoulders with people I don't think I'd normally meet.
__________________
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:41 PM   #99
Volvoguy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nyc
Posts: 18
My Ride: IS300;Volvo s60T;
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc View Post
Fair point. You are also above average. Few people have the luxury of having bosses they like.

Funny you should bring up the CEO thing. The CEO of Jet Blue, David Barger used to come in every thursday for breakfast with a few other guys (the president of the port authority, etc) while they were building T5 and used to hook me up with tickets from time to time. We also had a lot of music industry execs hang out, along with "celebrity" chefs like Todd English. I rubbed shoulders with people I don't think I'd normally meet.
I'm not trying to say any job is better than any other.

Jobs are jobs, I hope at least most people here do not feel like their jobs define them and vice versa.

If you want to become an owner of a restaurant, working at restaurants is where you need to be.

It's really about what makes you happy day in/day out, otherwise life will be hard.
__________________
Volvoguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:42 PM   #100
NFRs2000nyc
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: NYC/NJ
Posts: 897
My Ride: 2003 FormulaRedS2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Volvoguy View Post
I'm not trying to say any job is better than any other.

Jobs are jobs, I hope at least most people here do not feel like their jobs define them and vice versa.

If you want to become an owner of a restaurant, working at restaurants is where you need to be.

It's really about what makes you happy day in/day out, otherwise life will be hard.
Agree 100%
__________________
NFRs2000nyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Censor is ON





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use