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Old 04-17-2013, 03:23 PM   #61
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My original post never said this would make it easier for ordinary families to invest.

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But the new scheme would make the tax code more progressive and make it easier for middle income households to own stock relative to higher income households.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:27 PM   #62
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That's not my post.
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I read my OP. I don't see that **** anywhere.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:29 PM   #64
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I read my OP. I don't see that **** anywhere.
Not in OP.
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There wouldn't necessarily be any benefit for the workers although there could be an increase in wages and benefits. There wouldn't be any detriment, though.

But the new scheme would make the tax code more progressive and make it easier for middle income households to own stock relative to higher income households.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:30 PM   #65
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Hmm... I get $2384.82 in gains.

How much would a person have earned if they had started putting that money in the stock market 5 years ago?
It depends on the stocks invested. If it was an index like the S&P500 or DJI then you would have seen a hit on investment during the first year, but would have benefited greatly from the ensuing years given the steady increase from March 2009 to April 2013.

I'm a long-term investor. When the market isn't doing well I am more inclined to dump money into my 401K. The idea is down the road it will bounce back and I took advantage of the market when it was cheaper to buy in.
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That's not my post.


I don't even know how that happened. Botched copy/paste. ****ing hilarious though. Sorry
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Let's say two families, one rich, the other working/middle class, both own stock in Acme Corporation. The company has a good year and issues a dividend of 1 dollar per share.

The first family, which owns lots of stock in Acme, receives 1,000,000 dollars while the second family only receives 10,000. Both families then proceed to pay taxes on it at their respective tax rates.

Now, if you eliminate the corporate income tax, Acme's net income increases ~25% because money that went towards taxes can now be reinvested or returned to shareholders. So in that scenario, they'd pay the rich family 1.25 million and the other family 12.5k. Then they proceed to pay taxes at their respective rates.
So there you have your "working/middle class family" receiving a dollar for each of 10,000 shares they own. How much was the original price of the shares? This family must have been without cable for a long time to rack up that much money, no?
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So there you have your "working/middle class family" receiving a dollar for each of 10,000 shares they own. How much was the original price of the shares? This family must have been without cable for a long time to rack up that much money, no?
Just without their annual trip to the Bahamas.
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Just without their annual trip to the Bahamas.
Given the vacuous assertion that most lower/middle-class families even have the scratch to go on vacation, period, much less the Bahamas. In reality, that "excess" money is going towards their kids college fund, medical insurance and expenses, food, utilities, mortgage, etc.

So which one of these more real life rather than caricatured profligate money-waster -- should the average middle-class family forego? Medical insurance? Food? Mortgage? Kid's education?

Perhaps if the CEO just went without that estate in the Bahamas and used that money to pay his employees more than a subsistance wage...
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Given the vacuous assertion that most lower/middle-class families even have the scratch to go on vacation, period, much less the Bahamas. In reality, that "excess" money is going towards their kids college fund, medical insurance and expenses, food, utilities, mortgage, etc.

So which one of these more real life rather than caricatured profligate money-waster -- should the average middle-class family forego? Medical insurance? Food? Mortgage? Kid's education?

Perhaps if the CEO just went without that estate in the Bahamas and used that money to pay his employees more than a subsistance wage...
Hot damn you really have a distaste for CEOs!
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And you for the wasteful, indolent lower and middle classes?

Not really a distaste of CEO's per se, but certainly for the fawning obsequiousness paid to them and anyone of a certain net wealth by far too many on the right. Or much more so, the utter disdain, disrespect and disregard far too many on the right seem to have for the lower and middle classes, as well exemplified by Romney's infamous, but hardly unique, 47% statement and sentiments.

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And you for the wasteful, indolent lower and middle classes?

Not really a distaste of CEO's per se, but certainly for the fawning obsequiousness paid to them and anyone of a certain net wealth by far too many on the right. Or much more so, the utter disdain, disrespect and disregard far too many on the right seem to have for the lower and middle classes, as well exemplified by Romney's infamous, but hardly unique, 47% statement and sentiments.
Not all of the lower and middle class. I represent the middle class but I don't squander my money on useless objects while pointing my finger at the 1% blaming them for my problems. I strive to work diligently, hopefully build my wealth, and live within my means. I think I'm responsible and accountable for my actions.
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And you for the wasteful, indolent lower and middle classes?

Not really a distaste of CEO's per se, but certainly for the fawning obsequiousness paid to them and anyone of a certain net wealth by far too many on the right. Or much more so, the utter disdain, disrespect and disregard far too many on the right seem to have for the lower and middle classes, as well exemplified by Romney's infamous, but hardly unique, 47% statement and sentiments.
What percentages of corporations even have CEO's like the ones you have such a distaste for? Does the pizza place on the corner have a CEO with a golden parachute? Does my mechanic have some CEO somewhere wiping his ass with $100 bills?
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What percentages of corporations even have CEO's like the ones you have such a distaste for? Does the pizza place on the corner have a CEO with a golden parachute? Does my mechanic have some CEO somewhere wiping his ass with $100 bills?
Yeah and what about VaderDave? What are you thoughts about him being a CEO?
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See, not all CEO's/1%ers or self-centered, greedy, narcisistic exploiters:

CEO Gives Away His Bonus to Employees
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See, not all CEO's/1%ers or self-centered, greedy, narcisistic exploiters:

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I received a profit sharing bonus of 900 Euros this month. I'd rather work for a company that gives back to its employees from the start versus having to wait/pray for the generosity of a CEO.
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Yeah and what about VaderDave? What are you thoughts about him being a CEO?
That's probably not a fair comparison, because I'm pretty much universally hated around here.
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That's probably not a fair comparison, because I'm pretty much universally hated around here.
And if anything else you're more of a Junior VP than CEO. But hey, it could be worse. You could be stuck in the mailroom with JonJon.
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And if anything else you're more of a Junior VP than CEO. But hey, it could be worse. You could be stuck in the mailroom with JonJon.
Oh, if we're talking about the forum, I'm like the guy who goes around scraping gum out of the carpet.
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