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Old 04-17-2013, 06:40 PM   #21
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The majority wanted background checks for gun purchases. This should not be breaking news, based on the conversation you are trying to engage in.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...t-and-will-win
ok... i dont see the source of their statistic... besides, its a blog... c'mon i said credible.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:43 PM   #22
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ok... i dont see the source of their statistic... besides, its a blog... c'mon i said credible.
Google for yourself.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:46 PM   #23
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Google for yourself.
i'm not the one throwing unfounded statistics around.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:51 PM   #24
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i'm not the one throwing unfounded statistics around.
I can't fully express the depths of my apathy on your disbelief in words.

Perhaps this will help:
https://www.google.com/search?client...mg.RF_E2n6pna0
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:52 PM   #25
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The overwhelming majority ignored.

NRA happy.

1+1 = __
The majority do not want mandatory background checks. Rhumb's 90% number was from a BS ABC poll that had misleading questions. CNN's latest polls show that the majority of respondents disapprove of Obama's attempts to strengthen gun control laws.

Personally, here's how I view mandatory gun background checks: Right now if a criminal wants to buy a gun, he has to go to a criminal buddy and buys a gun that was stolen. No background check required. If a law abiding woman gets threatened by an abusive ex boyfriend and is in fear of her life, she can either buy a brand new gun and go through a background check (which may take a few minutes or a few days depending on backlog) . . or she can borrow or buy a gun from a friend or neighbor. They want to pass a law that says she has to go through a background check to even borrow that gun or else she becomes a felon. The law doesn't affect the criminal in any way, it only makes it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns when they need them. The proposed law wouldn't have stopped any of the recent mass shootings.
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i'm not the one throwing unfounded statistics around.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/am...-violence.aspx
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:01 PM   #27
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Here's the poll where the 87% number comes from:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...April-2013.pdf

Do you support or oppose legislation that would require background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun shows?
NATIONAL ADULTS April 2013
Support 87
Oppose 12
Unsure 1
Total 100

The BS part about that is that background checks are already required for the vast majority of gun show sales. I support background checks for people buying guns from gun dealers at gun shows, so I would be part of that 87%, even though I'm strongly against any expansion of the background check laws.
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That poll was conducted 3 months ago. My more recent poll indicates that emotions are settling and that not everyone supports this stuff
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Here's the poll where the 87% number comes from:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...April-2013.pdf

Do you support or oppose legislation that would require background checks for private gun sales and sales at gun shows?
NATIONAL ADULTS April 2013
Support 87
Oppose 12
Unsure 1
Total 100

The BS part about that is that background checks are already required for the vast majority of gun show sales. I support background checks for people buying guns from gun dealers at gun shows, so I would be part of that 87%, even though I'm strongly against any expansion of the background check laws.
This is a better poll, but the question is misleading to some extent
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That poll was conducted 3 months ago. My more recent poll indicates that emotions are settling and that not everyone supports this stuff
link?

I imagine after the vote Gallup will conduct another poll. The one I posted is a few months old, but I couldn't imagine a drastic change in feeling.
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This is a better poll, but the question is misleading to some extent
The question includes both private sales and gun show sales. If you were to eliminate the private sales would you expect the number that support to increase, decrease, or stay the same?
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I imagine after the vote Gallup will conduct another poll. The one I posted is a few months old, but I couldn't imagine a drastic change in feeling.
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The question includes both private sales and gun show sales. If you were to eliminate the private sales would you expect the number that support to increase, decrease, or stay the same?
Possibly increase. Not sure. Its all dependent on the wording of the question and the intelligence of the person being asked. Do they really understand the intricacies of what they're answering? i think not. The are in a rush, the polls are conducted on the phone, and I bet they give the answer to the question in 5 seconds without thinking about it.
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What else was in the bill besides background checks?
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What about this poll?

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http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes...ReleaseID=1877



April 4, 2013 - Background Checks Could Lead To Gun Confiscation, Many Voters Tell Quinnipiac University National Poll; But 91 Percent Want Universal Gun Checks

American voters say 48 - 38 percent that the government could use the information from universal background checks to confiscate legally-owned guns, but voters still support universal gun background checks 91 - 8 percent, including 88 - 11 percent among voters in households with guns, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Gun owners believe 53 - 34 percent that universal background checks could lead to confiscation of legal guns, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.
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So without this bill there are no background checks on gun sales!!!! Oh wait, we already require those? DOH!
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Cmon dude, first page

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Possibly increase. Not sure. Its all dependent on the wording of the question and the intelligence of the person being asked. Do they really understand the intricacies of what they're answering? i think not. The are in a rush, the polls are conducted on the phone, and I bet they give the answer to the question in 5 seconds without thinking about it.
Does it matter about the intelligence of the people asked?

There are various other ways polls are conducted. Assuming how this poll was conducted and how the respondent treated it is not conductive here. Your behavior towards a poll doesn't represent anyone else.
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Does it matter about the intelligence of the people asked?

There are various other ways polls are conducted. Assuming how this poll was conducted and how the respondent treated it is not conductive here. Your behavior towards a poll doesn't represent anyone else.
Because its an extremely complex issue that without proper context and a proper education regarding the issue leads to emotional and irrational decisions and responses in many cases
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Because its an extremely complex issue that without proper context and a proper education regarding the issue leads to emotional and irrational decisions and responses in many cases
That is the paradox of a democracy. Give people the right to vote and they can vote against their interests and vote away their rights.
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oh man now people can just go to a gun show and buy from gun dealers without background checks...

This was nothing more than a feeble attempt to get anything passed so they can say they did something.
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oh man now people can just go to a gun show and buy from gun dealers without background checks...

This was nothing more than a feeble attempt to get anything passed so they can say they did something.
Brb going to buy that 9mm I've been meaning to buy...
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