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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 04-17-2013, 05:59 PM   #21
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It was your link.

I really don't see a logical argument against background checks nor have I ever heard one. Do you want to lay one out for me? Please abstain from linking to anything that has to do with the NRA.
The point is that it shows there isn't a majority. Obama and his cronies have been saying over and over again that there is a very clear majority on this stuff. The fact is, there isn't and support for it is in fact diminishing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:00 PM   #22
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so why are people against this?

I want people to have to have an ID to vote... likewise, I want to ensure only responsible people own firearms. I don't see that as infringing on any rights

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so why are people against this?

I want people to have to have an ID to vote... likewise, I want to ensure only responsible people own firearms. I don't see that as infringing on any rights
Because the bill didn't end with just background checks. Isn't that obvious? Obama only states that the senate doesn't want background checks so it makes them sounds worse.
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Because the bill didn't end with just background checks. Isn't that obvious? Obama only states that the senate doesn't want background checks so it makes them sounds worse.
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My personal qualm and disagreement with it was it included family transfers. I would need the governments approval to give my son for example a gun?
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I have changed my anti gun stance. I now firmly believe that ALL Americans should own guns without any restrictions. It is in fact their Constitutional right to do so. They should all have multiple weapons and have the right to carry them. Damn the background checks. I now realise that background checks are actually the thin edge of the wedge of Government's attempts to disarm the polulation.

I genuinly believe now that if EVERY American was armed appropriately it would be a much safer place to live and work. You may want to consider taking away some Police powers so that they cannot infringe your civil liberties. I have noted that is is a genuine concern among the more vocal gun advocates.

I apologise for any ill considered remarks I made about gun ownership in the past. This was done in ignorance.
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I have changed my anti gun stance. I now firmly believe that ALL Americans should own guns without any restrictions. It is in fact their Constitutional right to do so. They should all have multiple weapons and have the right to carry them. Damn the background checks. I now realise that background checks are actually the thin edge of the wedge of Government's attempts to disarm the polulation.

I genuinly believe now that if EVERY American was armed appropriately it would be a much safer place to live and work. You may want to consider taking away some Police powers so that they cannot infringe your civil liberties. I have noted that is is a genuine concern among the more vocal gun advocates.

I apologise for any ill considered remarks I made about gun ownership in the past. This was done in ignorance.
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The point is that it shows there isn't a majority. Obama and his cronies have been saying over and over again that there is a very clear majority on this stuff. The fact is, there isn't and support for it is in fact diminishing.
No, it hasn't. There is an incredible majority supporting background checks. That is the subject of the bill so lets keep it at that.

MpoweredM: Your gripe was family to family? So what. When you give your son a car, it technically has to be transferred to his name. That is government intervention. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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No, it hasn't. There is an incredible majority supporting background checks. That is the subject of the bill so lets keep it at that.

MpoweredM: Your gripe was family to family? So what. When you give your son a car, it technically has to be transferred to his name. That is government intervention. I don't see anything wrong with that.
No background check to own a car. No registration for guns.
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No, it hasn't. There is an incredible majority supporting background checks. That is the subject of the bill so lets keep it at that.

MpoweredM: Your gripe was family to family? So what. When you give your son a car, it technically has to be transferred to his name. That is government intervention. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Sadly, driving is set as a privilege. (I won't get into that argument here though). Gun ownership is a right.
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Sadly, driving is set as a privilege. (I won't get into that argument here though). Gun ownership is a right.
Sadly? Do you know how many more people would die if any old teenager or bum could drive a car? This country's license laws and "privileges" are actually too lax in most cases.

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No background check to own a car. No registration for guns.
Background checks and registration would only hurt people who shouldn't own guns. I doubt it would effect anyone on this forum.

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Sadly? Do you know how many more people would die if any old teenager or bum could drive a car? This country's license laws and "privileges" are actually too lax in most cases.



Background checks and registration would only hurt people who shouldn't own guns. I doubt it would effect anyone on this forum.
Where did this bum get a car? Must have found a popular corner to earn all that money to purchase a car.
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I seriously think some of you have erotic relationships with your guns.
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so background checks and family firearm transfers.... what else was "bad" about this?
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Background checks and registration would only hurt people who shouldn't own guns. I doubt it would effect anyone on this forum.
The narrow-minded view expressed here neglects the very purpose of the Second Amendment in the first place. And that's the thing most people ignore or don't get.

The Second Amendment is protection for the citizens against the Government. You do NOT want the government knowing who has the weapons and where they are. That leads to targeted confiscation or attack in the event of tyranny.

That is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and always has been. Its not about hunting, self defense, collection, etc. Its about defense against a tyrannical government.

What happens if the background check system fails? What if, like the no-fly list, your name is mistakenly added to the NICS system? Or its improperly reported? You're barred from buying a firearm until its cleared up. Now what if you're buying it because your life is in immediate danger?

This is also about private property rights and the government not having its fingers in all of it. A sale of a firearm is disposition of property between two willing contracting parties. The government requiring a background check that a buyer and seller has to pay for amounts to a poll tax, a tax to exercise a right.

I can go on and on and on. There are bigger policy issues here than just "people should be checked" and "registration doesnt affect the law abiding". The "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" mentality is a serious, serious threat to American rights and liberties
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so why are people against this?

I want people to have to have an ID to vote... likewise, I want to ensure only responsible people own firearms. I don't see that as infringing on any rights
I don't get it either man, republicans are weird sometimes.
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so why are people against this?

I want people to have to have an ID to vote... likewise, I want to ensure only responsible people own firearms. I don't see that as infringing on any rights
i dont see how it would have prevented crime. for the most part, background checks would really only be applied to law abiding citizens. criminals can still go about their business and purchase/steal firearms off the street.

in theory universal background checks sound nice, but in reality i just dont see them accomplishing anything but costing law abiding citizens more money and creating one more hoop for them to jump through.
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