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Old 04-17-2013, 10:17 PM   #61
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I don't think that's possible, but here is a drawing of a spider I did, hope you like it.

You have now made without question the most ignorant series of posts in this thread.

I think you assumed that there was a lot of things you'd object to in the bill, but then actually searched and realized that it was not the case. I've done the same thing in the past- more than once. However, I have the integrity to admit it.

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Seriously?! Tell me what they put in the bill that you'd object to, because I cannot find it.

Acting like you are puts you on what you believe to be "my level."

Why don't you take two minutes of your time and help me see this from your point of view.
Why would any of us try to get you to see our point of view when you assert that we're paranoid and selfish? Why would we devote any time to that?
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:30 PM   #63
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Why would any of us try to get you to see our point of view when you assert that we're paranoid and selfish? Why would we devote any time to that?
Which is why I don't waste time with close minded liberals. They get easily offended. I swear I could call a black person the N word and have less repercussions than the sh!tstorm that will ensue if I say something that a liberal doesn't agree with or "offends them"
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I'm curious too. And speaking of easily offended, aren't you guys being a little easily offended too?
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I'm curious too. And speaking of easily offended, aren't you guys being a little easily offended too?
I don't take offense. I take exception to wanting to have a reasoned debate and having degrading into personal attacks. It seems to devolve into this so easily
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Why don't you take two minutes of your time and help me see this from your point of view.
Well since you asked so nicely, here's what things look like from my point of view. Kinda dark seeing as I'm in bed about to go to sleep to get up early and go to work. Someone's gotta pay for all those bums you guys allow to be on welfare...
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Well since you asked so nicely, here's what things look like from my point of view. Kinda dark seeing as I'm in bed about to go to sleep to get up early and go to work. Someone's gotta pay for all those bums you guys allow to be on welfare...
Because welfare didn't exist before this administration This is the same stupid generalizations that you are harping about being thrown at you.
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Congrats, more guns to kill people.
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Why did you change that Redline? Is that not how you interpret it?
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I don't take offense. I take exception to wanting to have a reasoned debate and having degrading into personal attacks. It seems to devolve into this so easily
Maybe you can pick up for Redline and answer. I'm not the only one who's curious.

If you don't see yourself as paranoid or selfish, fine. You say you have thick skin, well then let's continue.

Enlighten me as to what was wrong with the bill that got shot down (besides the background checks- which most seem okay with). It seems there were other things in this bill that I missed.

Also if you could provide me with a link surrounding the bill you mentioned, that'd be great. If you just search the bill on Google, not much comes up honestly.
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Maybe you can pick up for Redline and answer. I'm not the only one who's curious.

If you don't see yourself as paranoid or selfish, fine. You say you have thick skin, well then let's continue.

Enlighten me as to what was wrong with the bill that got shot down (besides the background checks- which most seem okay with). It seems there were other things in this bill that I missed.

Also if you could provide me with a link surrounding the bill you mentioned, that'd be great. If you just search the bill on Google, not much comes up honestly.
I might. But not tonight, maybe tomorrow. Almost bed time for me.
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My personal qualm and disagreement with it was it included family transfers. I would need the governments approval to give my son for example a gun?
^^ This.

The problem I have with the background checks directly - to loan someone a gun (family, close friend, what have you...) you'd litterally have to go in, do a background check to transfer it to the person borrowing. Once they're done with their hunt, you'd have to go in again, do another check to transfer it back...

My local gun shop (30 min away) charges for transfers - It's $25 a pop. The next closest gun shop charges $75 for FFL transfers. -- All this hassle so my brother, father, or close friend can borrow a larger caliber gun of mine to go say Elk hunting?

The other aspect that I do not like is the amendments included with this... The Semi-Auto Weapon ban, the magazine capacity ban to name a few...


The biggest aspect that I don't like, is this whole legislative process that was started in regards to gun control was sparked by an incident in which would not have been prevented by any single measure that is being proposed. I truly wish these folks would sit down and realize we have a PEOPLE problem, not a guns, bombs, ect problem. What is causing these kids, folks, people to get messed up in the head to where this is acceptable?

Theres my rant for the night.
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^^ This.

The problem I have with the background checks directly - to loan someone a gun (family, close friend, what have you...) you'd litterally have to go in, do a background check to transfer it to the person borrowing. Once they're done with their hunt, you'd have to go in again, do another check to transfer it back...

My local gun shop (30 min away) charges for transfers - It's $25 a pop. The next closest gun shop charges $75 for FFL transfers. -- All this hassle so my brother, father, or close friend can borrow a larger caliber gun of mine to go say Elk hunting?

The other aspect that I do not like is the amendments included with this... The Semi-Auto Weapon ban, the magazine capacity ban to name a few...


The biggest aspect that I don't like, is this whole legislative process that was started in regards to gun control was sparked by an incident in which would not have been prevented by any single measure that is being proposed. I truly wish these folks would sit down and realize we have a PEOPLE problem, not a guns, bombs, ect problem. What is causing these kids, folks, people to get messed up in the head to where this is acceptable?

Theres my rant for the night.
You make some good points.

To solve the issue with loaning guns, you could either create a government registration system- where you can loan a gun out like a car but liability is yours- or you could have a private industry insurance type of deal for gun owners that is mandated. Obviously- the insurance would require background checks to insure you in the first place. You could loan the gun out then I suppose.

Thoughts on that?
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You make some good points.

To solve the issue with loaning guns, you could either create a government registration system- where you can loan a gun out like a car but liability is yours- or you could have a private industry insurance type of deal for gun owners that is mandated. Obviously- the insurance would require background checks to insure you in the first place. You could loan the gun out then I suppose.

Thoughts on that?
Outright oppose. A mandate to purchase insurance places a financial burden on all, including those who are less fortunate who might not be able to afford it. It amounts to a poll tax, a tax/fee to exercise a constitutional right.

And we oppose registration, for reasons I've already enumerated.
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^^ This.

The problem I have with the background checks directly - to loan someone a gun (family, close friend, what have you...) you'd litterally have to go in, do a background check to transfer it to the person borrowing. Once they're done with their hunt, you'd have to go in again, do another check to transfer it back...

My local gun shop (30 min away) charges for transfers - It's $25 a pop. The next closest gun shop charges $75 for FFL transfers. -- All this hassle so my brother, father, or close friend can borrow a larger caliber gun of mine to go say Elk hunting?

The other aspect that I do not like is the amendments included with this... The Semi-Auto Weapon ban, the magazine capacity ban to name a few...


The biggest aspect that I don't like, is this whole legislative process that was started in regards to gun control was sparked by an incident in which would not have been prevented by any single measure that is being proposed. I truly wish these folks would sit down and realize we have a PEOPLE problem, not a guns, bombs, ect problem. What is causing these kids, folks, people to get messed up in the head to where this is acceptable?

Theres my rant for the night.
All good points, and finally some substance here. So, it was a sure deal that you would need a check everytime you transfer? How long does the check last before it expires, and do they give you documentation? I could see maybe some card being made that needed to be renewed periodically, but yea that would be a pain. I mentioned in a different thread a while back that psychological tests should be done more so than background checks, so I agree there. I got jumped on for saying that though, but honestly I don't see how that could be a definite process that wasn't easily fooled either. The problem now is access, and really it's too late to fix that. There are so many guns out there, someone (with enough money) can get one. This problem is so difficult because we have to work at it in reverse. Honestly, it may be too late to have any real change now. Even looking at the future (if strict laws were in place) we would still have an enormous amount of guns out in circulation. Like you said it's in the psychology of the shooters. Background checks could catch the most obvious suspects, but as said before with enough money you can get a gun in other ways. Having thought about this for awhile, I really believe we are already in too deep. Everyone is not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but I do believe a public campaign made by these professionals would help. Similiar to the DARE campaign that got it out in public, it wouldn't hurt to have some kind of campaign that would help the general public look for signs of mentally instable people or dangerous patterns of behavior that could be reported. I know this could lead to a storm of infringements and profiling though. Any other ideas?
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Did we awaken you? Better get back to sleep so I can get my check and buy diapers and malt liquor!
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The way I see it, is that people opposed to background checks are more afraid of the next piece of legislation going after guns. It doesn't appear that further background checks will end the gun control debate and they are worried that if you give them an inch (background checks), they will take a mile later on (gun registration, etc..). They don't want to begin down a slippery slope.
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I've said many times. I will concede to background checks if...

1)Gun laws are stripped from states, and become federal.
2)All guns, including 50cals, full autos, mini gattlers, etc are legal to own.
3) Background checks are done once, not everytime someone buys a gun. There is no reason to check weekly if the person was arrested. The systems can be united and scannable. The buyer pays to have the card issued to them, but the checks are free (since they will be computerized.)
4) CCW and open carrying become legal on every square inch of the country, except courts and other sensitive government buildings.
5) Law passed that the top 4 can't be messed with.

Give me those 5, and you can have your background checks.
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Obama seems like someone who has never been told "no" in his life. He's the most divisive president I can remember, all partisan politics all the time.
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