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Old 04-17-2013, 08:42 PM   #1
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Turtle got bugged

http://news.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnel...181938933.html
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Mitch McConnell appears to have been right about the source of the leaked tape of his staff disparaging Ashley Judd, if not the methodology. According to a Kentucky Democratic official, staff of the liberal PAC Progress Kentucky recorded the meeting from a hallway — precisely the group McConnell initially identified.

“They were in the hallway after the, I guess after the celebration and hoopla ended, apparently these people broke for lunch and had a strategy meeting, which is, in every campaign I've been affiliated with, makes perfect sense,” says Conway. “One of them held the elevator, the other one did the recording and they left. That was what they told to me from them directly.”

Politico reports McConnell's campaign manager saying that the door to the meeting room had a vent that could easily have allowed sound to pass through into an adjacent hallway.

Such a recording could fall into a legal gray area. Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press articulates the law in Kentucky:

It is a felony to overhear or record, through use of an electronic or mechanical device, an oral communication without the consent of at least one party to that communication. Ky. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 526.020. A conversation which is loud enough to be heard through the wall or through the heating system without the use of any device is not protected by the statute, since a person who desires privacy can take the steps necessary to ensure that his conversation cannot be overheard by the ordinary ear. Id.

If the campaign headquarters was publicly accessible and the conversation audible from the hallway, the alleged recording by Progress Kentucky may have been legal.
Not the biggest story, but today...

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WASHINGTON — The head of a group accused of illegally taping private meetings of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's campaign visited the White House days before the group's Twitter account began actively attacking the Kentucky Republican, according to White House visitors logs.

White House logs and the Twitter feed of Shawn Reilly, one of two men at the heart of the McConnell wiretapping scandal, show he met with White House officials on Dec. 5, just days before his organization Progress Kentucky began a messaging blitzkrieg against the Republican leader.

Reilly and Curtis Morrison are currently under investigation by the FBI for illicitly taping a campaign conversation between McConnell and a handful of his advisors. During the conversation McConnell and his aides discussed the potential candidacy of actress Ashley Judd — including using her mental health problems against her.

For days, Democrats in the state and nationally have sought to cast the duo as a pair of bungling amateurs who simply got in over their heads and made a series of bad decisions. But the White House visit suggests the distance from Reilly to his party's leaders may not have been quite that far.

The White House visitors log, showing Reilly met with administration officials Dec. 5th, appears to have been signed in by Victoria McCullough, a staff assistant to Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett.
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If they were in cahoots with anyone in Washington then those individuals should be outed. That type of behavior should not be tolerated, period.
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Can't even compare this to what James O'Keefe did. O'Keefe doctored recordings to make them look like something they are not. He wanted to accost a CNN reporter with sex toys and seduce her in order to discredit CNN. He made Shirley Sherrod lose her job because she decried racism, but he made her out to be a racist thanks to some editing. He bugged a federal office. He edited the videos of people who wanted to take proper action after his "pimp and ho" stunt and made them look like they're doing the wrong thing when they weren't.

Did you say "dirty dirty" back then?
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O'Keefe was pretty bad but it doesn't excuse what Reilly and Curtis Morrison allegedly did.
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O'Keefe was pretty bad but it doesn't excuse what Reilly and Curtis Morrison allegedly did.
Of course. If a crime is committed it should be prosecuted.
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Of course. If a crime is committed it should be prosecuted.
What's troubling is this happened under Obama's watch. As the CEO of America he should have been aware of what was going on.
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Can't even compare this to what James O'Keefe did. O'Keefe doctored recordings to make them look like something they are not. He wanted to accost a CNN reporter with sex toys and seduce her in order to discredit CNN. He made Shirley Sherrod lose her job because she decried racism, but he made her out to be a racist thanks to some editing. He bugged a federal office. He edited the videos of people who wanted to take proper action after his "pimp and ho" stunt and made them look like they're doing the wrong thing when they weren't.

Did you say "dirty dirty" back then?
Just stop. Wrong is wrong. Don't try to sweep this one under the rug. Be honest with yourself and not hypocritical at times.
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he sounds like chase.....
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Calm down Kushy.
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Of course. If a crime is committed it should be prosecuted.
Like illegally trafficking 3800 guns to Mexico that kill at least a dozen innocent Mexicans ?

I am still waiting for indictment.
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That's low.
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Like illegally trafficking 3800 guns to Mexico that kill at least a dozen innocent Mexicans ?

I am still waiting for indictment.
Who trafficked the guns? Whom would you like to indict?
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ok , i laughed. but seriously you do at times.
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A conversation which is loud enough to be heard through the wall or through the heating system without the use of any device is not protected by the statute, since a person who desires privacy can take the steps necessary to ensure that his conversation cannot be overheard by the ordinary ear.
Unless it isn't.
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O'Keefe doctored recordings to make them look like something they are not.
Jeez. Could you imaging what would happen if a "news" organization did that? Like maybe something about, oh let's say, a "white hispanic" neighborhood watch dude calling 911 because he saw a black guy? OMG that would be craaaaaazy!
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Jeez. Could you imaging what would happen if a "news" organization did that? Like maybe something about, oh let's say, a "white hispanic" neighborhood watch dude calling 911 because he saw a black guy? OMG that would be craaaaaazy!
that's different, because skittles
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Can't even compare this to what James O'Keefe did. O'Keefe doctored recordings to make them look like something they are not. He wanted to accost a CNN reporter with sex toys and seduce her in order to discredit CNN. He made Shirley Sherrod lose her job because she decried racism, but he made her out to be a racist thanks to some editing. He bugged a federal office. He edited the videos of people who wanted to take proper action after his "pimp and ho" stunt and made them look like they're doing the wrong thing when they weren't.

Did you say "dirty dirty" back then?
I find our account less than accurate, but besides that point I don't believe O'Keefe was at the White House days before he released those tapes.
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Just stop. Wrong is wrong. Don't try to sweep this one under the rug. Be honest with yourself and not hypocritical at times.
I see no hypocrisy. Busa clearly states that if laws were broken, then due punishment should be meted out. However, these two cases are hardly symmetrical. In the one case, there was a concerted effort to actively and negatively distort and misrepresent what were generally positive statements and ideas. In another, they merely, and accurately, "outed" rather odious and repugnant remarks (as also happened to Romney and his campaign killing 47% sentiments).

This is not necessarily to excuse or even justify how these statements were revealed in the latter, but they weren't conscious slanders or distortions either.

So yes, there are basic differences in these cases and no hypocrisy in Busa's statements, despite McConnell's desperate, defensive attempts to try to create a false equivalency.

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