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Old 04-18-2013, 10:41 PM   #1
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Angry Back tires are getting shredded!

I got new tires and did an all wheel alignment. Sadly the back tires lasted about 10 days and I have no idea whats wrong with them. Could it be that they butchered the alignment? And if so would they give me new tires?

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Ok guys so I got the tires april 3rd! I found the invoice for my rims and from the 3rd to the 18th this damage was caused. And in the past few days from the 18-22nd my tires are officially bald! I put up some pictures of my tires when i first got them and you can see how much rubber they had
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:43 PM   #2
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Where did you get it aligned at?
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:44 PM   #3
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10 days? That's insane. What's the condition of your RTABs?
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you must have some INSANE toe in or toe out. those started out as new tires?
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:58 PM   #6
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:29 PM   #7
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:46 PM   #9
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I got them aligned at pauls tires they had some pretty legit machines. I had a man sell me a set for 4 OEM 19'' rear wheels (19x9.5 square set up) with 80% rubber in front and 70% in the back. Balanced them and everything! maybe not 10 days but around 15 but FOR SURE not more than 20!
what i do notice is that my back tires do toe in a little bit but i thought they did that purposely. I believe my RTABS are fine because on my old rims I didnt have such a severe tire demolition factory going.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:16 AM   #12
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toe in a little bit is probably normal on the ///M. their machines are probably not calibrated. take it somewhere else. check the rtab bracket and make sure it's not pushed in all the way or pushed out all the way.
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Man I hate to suggest this but you may want to take it to a stealership and have them check the alignment. They have the machines to do it right and it may provide you with more ammunition when filing a claim with Paul's tires since they obviously did not do it right the first time.
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I got them aligned at pauls tires they had some pretty legit machines. I had a man sell me a set for 4 OEM 19'' rear wheels (19x9.5 square set up) with 80% rubber in front and 70% in the back. Balanced them and everything! maybe not 10 days but around 15 but FOR SURE not more than 20!
what i do notice is that my back tires do toe in a little bit but i thought they did that purposely. I believe my RTABS are fine because on my old rims I didnt have such a severe tire demolition factory going.
even the best machines are worthless when operated by an idiot.

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Well, my personal experience with the Hankook Evo 112's and this was on 18" ZHP wheels which would wear a bit less than your 19's is that once they are used a bit, they seem to wear faster than when they were new.. like exponentially fast.. happened to my rears when I had them on last year for the 3rd summer in a row and in no time flat they were down to almost threads. Now you have 19's so the wear may be worse as I believe the larger wheel you have, the more the stock negative camber is accentuated. And unless you got your alignment at BMW, the shop most likely did not touch your rear alignment as I do not think normal shops have the proper equipment/machines to do that (at least that is what a BMW dealer told me, and I confirmed one time at Town Fair Tire).
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By the way, the outer edge of your tire has no where near 70% left. I'd expect that to be deeper and the inner edge to be more worn out.
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Well, my personal experience with the Hankook Evo 112's and this was on 18" ZHP wheels which would wear a bit less than your 19's is that once they are used a bit, they seem to wear faster than when they were new.. like exponentially fast.. happened to my rears when I had them on last year for the 3rd summer in a row and in no time flat they were down to almost threads. Now you have 19's so the wear may be worse as I believe the larger wheel you have, the more the stock negative camber is accentuated. And unless you got your alignment at BMW, the shop most likely did not touch your rear alignment as I do not think normal shops have the proper equipment/machines to do that (at least that is what a BMW dealer told me, and I confirmed one time at Town Fair Tire).
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By the way, the outer edge of your tire has no where near 70% left. I'd expect that to be deeper and the inner edge to be more worn out.
I didn't notice the part about used tires. Unfortunately, I think OP is screwed on the tires.
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Well, my personal experience with the Hankook Evo 112's and this was on 18" ZHP wheels which would wear a bit less than your 19's is that once they are used a bit, they seem to wear faster than when they were new.. like exponentially fast.. happened to my rears when I had them on last year for the 3rd summer in a row and in no time flat they were down to almost threads. Now you have 19's so the wear may be worse as I believe the larger wheel you have, the more the stock negative camber is accentuated. And unless you got your alignment at BMW, the shop most likely did not touch your rear alignment as I do not think normal shops have the proper equipment/machines to do that (at least that is what a BMW dealer told me, and I confirmed one time at Town Fair Tire).
that's bogus. there's no proper equipment/machines to adjust the rear alignment. it's an extremely simple procedure. mount laser and adjust trailing arm or cammed camber bolt accordingly. all you need is an 18mm socket and your arm.
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that's bogus. there's no proper equipment/machines to adjust the rear alignment. it's an extremely simple procedure. mount laser and adjust trailing arm or cammed camber bolt accordingly. all you need is an 18mm socket and your arm.
not sure I believe you, because at Town Fair Tire, they could only do a certain part of the rear alignment due to their lack of the proper equipment, which is also why the BMW dealer told me that it was no wonder the couldn't do it properly, they don't have the right equipment.

Are you talking about the bolt that goes into where the RTAB is? I thought that was how you adjusted rear camber? there is no toe adjustment in rear, correct?
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not sure I believe you, because at Town Fair Tire, they could only do a certain part of the rear alignment due to their lack of the proper equipment, which is also why the BMW dealer told me that it was no wonder the couldn't do it properly, they don't have the right equipment.

Are you talking about the bolt that goes into where the RTAB is? I thought that was how you adjusted rear camber? there is no toe adjustment in rear, correct?
everything you said is incorrect. there's toe and camber in the back. the toe is set by the 3 trailing arm bolts being loosened and the trailing arm swung in or out. the camber is the bolt on the rear lower control arm. i've aligned my own car before
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