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Old 04-19-2013, 12:59 AM   #1
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So, I've got my 02 e46 that I recently put 17" staggered wheels on a few weeks back. BMW style 68 wheels from an old e36 M3.
My front tire size are 225/45/17 and 235/40/17 in the rear.

Now when I have compression on the shocks/springs, I do rub and my traction control kicks in. I know its my driving behaivor and I'm sorry I like to have fun once in a while.

The stock wheel sizes were 16"

Now should I replace the shocks and springs which will hopefully have less compression? Or should I go a different route.

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:18 AM   #2
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:20 AM   #3
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you should always replace shocks/struts if original
Would you think it'll be better to go coilovers or OEM shocks/springs?

Of course with coilovers I'll need to reinforce them, not sure how that's done exactly.

Also I forgot to mention, I've got 81k miles showing on the odometer.

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Old 04-19-2013, 03:25 AM   #4
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Go with ST coils. For 1000 bucks they're damn well worth it. If you're not looking for that good of quality, but still nicer than OEM (IMO), go with Street Edge coilovers for 500.
Otherwise, OEM.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:30 AM   #5
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How wide are your wheels? 7.5" or 8"? Do you have spacers in the rear? I would think that 235/45-17 would have been better for the rears, a little closer in circumference to the fronts. Tire width is the same.

Your traction control maybe kicking in due to the rears being about 2.3% smaller in diameter than the fronts. Not sure your 325i was meant for a staggered setup.

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Old 04-19-2013, 07:15 AM   #6
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How wide are your wheels? 7.5" or 8"? Do you have spacers in the rear? I would think that 235/45-17 would have been better for the rears, a little closer in circumference to the fronts. Tire width is the same.

Your traction control maybe kicking in due to the rears being about 2.3% smaller in diameter than the fronts. Not sure your 325i was meant for a staggered setup.
A week ago there was definitely some rubbing noise on the rear during a turn I made and coming home this morning it was on the front driver side (which is obvious).

I do not have any spacers, I'll take a look again on the rear tire size. Although wouldn't the 45 just make the tire taller?

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Go with ST coils. For 1000 bucks they're damn well worth it. If you're not looking for that good of quality, but still nicer than OEM (IMO), go with Street Edge coilovers for 500.
Otherwise, OEM.
Do you have these or have any personal experience with them?

I'm all about ride quality and performance balance, I don't like too harshe or too soft. Do you still get a comfortable ride on a slightly bumpy road with either?
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A week ago there was definitely some rubbing noise on the rear during a turn I made and coming home this morning it was on the front driver side (which is obvious).

I do not have any spacers, I'll take a look again on the rear tire size. Although wouldn't the 45 just make the tire taller?
Rubbing on the front? Did you lower the car? Your front tire size is virtually the same circumference as the original OE tires....maybe less than a an inch wider. Shouldn't have any rubbing issues (provided you didn't lower..).
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17" shouldn't rub, your shocks are likely spent.
I really enjoy my Bilsteins. I went a bit further with the Eibach full spring and sway kit. I enjoy every second of each turn. If you don't have the winter package, look for some reinforcement plates for each corner. Install is the same, and it helps out those weak spots on the E46, be spreading out the load bearing surfaces.

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Style 68s normally come on E46 330s, and were never offered on the E36 M3 from the factory. Your tire size is also fairly small in the rear, so there should be absolutely no rubbing. Maybe you have a cracked spring?

Other thought- they might be the style 68s with offsets too aggressive for our cars that came as the E46 M3 winter package, in which case you should sell the wheels and buy some that fit.
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Other thought- they might be the style 68s with offsets too aggressive for our cars that came as the E46 M3 winter package, in which case you should sell the wheels and buy some that fit.
I didn't know that. Learn something new every day!
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I did not lower my car. It's one stock with original parts.
The offsets are 7.5 in the front 8.5 in the rear. I really like the aggressive look and don't want to sell if I don't have to.
If new shocks/Springs or coilovers help remedy the problem I'd rather go that route since my Springs and shocks reached their life.

I think they were the winter package from her old m3 :-(

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So, I've got my 02 e46 that I recently put 17" staggered wheels on a few weeks back. BMW style 68 wheels from an old e36 M3.
My front tire size are 225/45/17 and 235/40/17 in the rear.

Now when I have compression on the shocks/springs, I do rub and my traction control kicks in. I know its my driving behaivor and I'm sorry I like to have fun once in a while.

The stock wheel sizes were 16"

Now should I replace the shocks and springs which will hopefully have less compression? Or should I go a different route.
For traction control, you are running wrong tire in rear. It should be 245 40 17.

M68 should never rub on e46. unless

1. your springs are rusted and broken
2. your m68 was for M3 which has different offset.
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I did not lower my car. It's one stock with original parts.
The offsets are 7.5 in the front 8.5 in the rear. I really like the aggressive look and don't want to sell if I don't have to.
If new shocks/Springs or coilovers help remedy the problem I'd rather go that route since my Springs and shocks reached their life.

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7.5 and 8.5 isn't offset. That's width of the rims.
Since you've said you like the aggressive look, seems like you have m3 offset which is ET25 for rear.

Remove the rear wheel and you will see et## stamped in back.
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How wide are your wheels? 7.5" or 8"? Do you have spacers in the rear? I would think that 235/45-17 would have been better for the rears, a little closer in circumference to the fronts. Tire width is the same.

Your traction control maybe kicking in due to the rears being about 2.3% smaller in diameter than the fronts. Not sure your 325i was meant for a staggered setup.
Yep. Should probably have 255s on the rear.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:08 PM   #17
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They did come from the m3 winter package. I'll check the wheel.

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Style 68s come on the E46 M3, the front is 7.5x17, ET-41, the rear is 8.5x17, ET-50. The tire size is 225/45x17 and 245/40x17. The weight of the rims is 9.5 and 9.92 kg, respectively.

The front should not rub at all on any E46 or E36, the rears might rub on non-M cars because the M3 has fenders that buldge out to accomodate the added width of the tire package. Having said that, the rear Style 68s should fit a mere mortal E46 with minimal effort. It may be required to roll the fenders in the back to create a little more space between the tire and the fender, there should be absoulutely nothing required for the front tires to fit.

The M3 with winter package should have the 7.5x17 (the fronts) on all four corners, so if you have 8.5x17s, they're not from a winter package.

Look here for more information of the factory tire packages and the specs for them.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:44 PM   #19
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suspension or no?

Are you rubbing the wheel well or your fenders? you can always pull and roll your fenders if you don't want to change your suspension


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Old 04-19-2013, 01:54 PM   #20
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I'm rubbing on the fender, I can hear it when I do a bit of hard cornering (for some fun sorry), normal driving is just fine, just under hard compression from the spring/shock is when it rubs, and its not a very long rub either, maybe half a second at best since DSC slows the card down immediately afterwards.

Its raining today and I don't have a garage, so I'll take a look tomorrow morning for the offset.

In no way shape or form do I blame the seller as I should have researched this more but this is where I got them from if it helps any. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=964767

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