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Old 05-01-2013, 02:15 PM   #1
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Frame Saving Recoil Buffers and Compensator/Ported Barrels?

My p229 has a little much kick for the wife since it's a .40 cal. I've been reading from a few places about compensated and ported barrels. I've also seen a frame saving recoil buffer that supposedly helps the slide not "ram" back into position after firing.

Any thoughts based on these links?

http://norecoil.com/

http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=229&cco=68

http://www.efkfiredragon.com/sig-sau...dw-357sig.html

http://www.efkfiredragon.com/sig-sau...ig-sauer1.html

http://www.jarvis-custom.com/Product...8/Default.aspx (I've been told that while Jarvis doesn't advertise for Sig's that he does make them).


Side note: the frame saving recoil buffer automatically comes with a steel guide rod whereas my current one is either plastic or hollow steel. Thoughts?
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Be careful with ported barrels. You are going to trade one distraction for another. Compensated barrels don't reduce rearward recoil, but instead reduce muzzle rise. They tend to make the recoil impulse a bit more linear. The unfortunate trade-off is that you now have a lot more concussion from the gun. If you shoot outside, it's a minor-to-moderate issue. If you shoot indoors, it's a major issue. There are specific tactics relating to compensated pistol use, like rotating the gun 45 degrees outward while firing from defensive retention position (hip), etc. However, the major initial problem is that the added concussion and subsequent noise can throw her off and be more of a distractions. If you are using low flash defensive loads, there isn't any flash issues. If you use normal target ammo, you will see a major increase in visible muzzle flash; especially indoors.
I'm not saying don't do it with the compensated barrel, but be aware that there are two sides to the coin. If you can, try one out at a range before you buy one.

Of the 5 females that are at my agency (one just retired), 4/5 can control the recoil of our .40s. Three use a G22, one uses a G23 (detective), and one uses a G22C compensated (another detective). The one that uses the G22C still can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside (another story/issue altogether), but the others don't have compensated pistols and they do fine. Point being, don't necessarily discount the .40 as being too powerful. 9mm is obviously much better, but with practice, the .40S&W is usable by females without a problem. It will just take a bit more time behind the gun to get used to it. I think that instead of compromising the reliability of the gun with added components, it might be a better idea to invest in a 9mm specifically for her. Maybe in the short term your parts will be fine, but it would just be my humble suggestion that you look long term as completely ditching the .40 for her. There is pretty good documentation that the 9mm is much more new-shooter-friendly.
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Be careful with ported barrels. You are going to trade one distraction for another. Compensated barrels don't reduce rearward recoil, but instead reduce muzzle rise. They tend to make the recoil impulse a bit more linear. The unfortunate trade-off is that you now have a lot more concussion from the gun. If you shoot outside, it's a minor-to-moderate issue. If you shoot indoors, it's a major issue. There are specific tactics relating to compensated pistol use, like rotating the gun 45 degrees outward while firing from defensive retention position (hip), etc. However, the major initial problem is that the added concussion and subsequent noise can throw her off and be more of a distractions. If you are using low flash defensive loads, there isn't any flash issues. If you use normal target ammo, you will see a major increase in visible muzzle flash; especially indoors.
I'm not saying don't do it with the compensated barrel, but be aware that there are two sides to the coin. If you can, try one out at a range before you buy one.

Of the 5 females that are at my agency (one just retired), 4/5 can control the recoil of our .40s. Three use a G22, one uses a G23 (detective), and one uses a G22C compensated (another detective). The one that uses the G22C still can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside (another story/issue altogether), but the others don't have compensated pistols and they do fine. Point being, don't necessarily discount the .40 as being too powerful. 9mm is obviously much better, but with practice, the .40S&W is usable by females without a problem. It will just take a bit more time behind the gun to get used to it. I think that instead of compromising the reliability of the gun with added components, it might be a better idea to invest in a 9mm specifically for her. Maybe in the short term your parts will be fine, but it would just be my humble suggestion that you look long term as completely ditching the .40 for her. There is pretty good documentation that the 9mm is much more new-shooter-friendly.
I agree...was just trying to find a bandaid solution. She tried convincing me to get the M&P9...I just loved the Sig (and still do). Maybe I'll look at a 9mm M&P for her.

What about the recoil spring things...heard anything? You are the expert it seems in all things gun related.
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Bar-Sto Precision actually makes a 40/357 Sig to 9MM conversion for P226 and P229 pistols. All you need to do is get the new barrel kit and a couple 9mm mags and your wife can shoot 9mm without needing a new gun altogether.

Link: http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=229
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I would try the recoil spring first before going to the barrel. Compensated barrels have issues that I tend to think don't bode well for newer shooters who don't need them. For competition, they work. I think that a compensated barrel has no place outside of competition or hunting.
If you go for the recoil spring, make sure that they have a refund policy in case it doesn't work. I would also not recommend that you keep it in the gun while at home, or in any potential defense capacity, until you are positive that it works reliably.
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Bar-Sto Precision actually makes a 40/357 Sig to 9MM conversion for P226 and P229 pistols. All you need to do is get the new barrel kit and a couple 9mm mags and your wife can shoot 9mm without needing a new gun altogether.

Link: http://www.barsto.com/category_main.cfm?ID=229


My Sig is a .40...it'll stay a .40!
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