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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 05-06-2013, 11:53 AM   #21
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:35 PM   #22
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I was at the range this weekend and there was a guy with three of his daughters ranging from 3-8 yrs old.. none of them seemed to want to kill anyone with the gun they were shooting.
I'd leave the range if I saw a three year old there with a gun. That's just batshit crazy.
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Yeah even I think that's way too young. Absolutely crazy.

The first time I ever shot a gun, it was a .22 and I was around 9. And I didn't do it unsupervised. I actually don't remember what age I was when I received my "own" first firearm. It too was a .22 and it wasn't really even mine until I was like 16.

I was introduced to firearms and firearm safety before that. I was told never to go near one, never to play with one, and they were well-hidden and secured from me. The school programs and news stories about other kids getting shot, etc. had a profound impact on me in respecting the power of the weapons themselves. And I learned to give them great breadth and to not mess around with them until I was old enough.

Some parents need to use better judgment. Their kids are not as smart as they think they are and are not angels who are perfect. They can hurt themselves and others. IF you really want to give your younger child a gun to begin to learn with, give them a nerf gun. Then move them to a bb gun at the right age. After that point, move on to a real one if you want. A 2-3 year old with a real gun is nuts.


ALL THAT BEING SAID, I don't think it should be against the law. Leaving them unattended with it, sure, absolutely should be (and is) illegal. But its up to parents to use best judgment as to when its appropriate to introduce their children to these things, not the government's or anyone elses. If it causes a tragedy, charge the parents with everything under the sun if you want. Child abuse, criminal negligence, etc. etc. Beyond that, I don't think it should be illegal to basically hold the gun for your kid and have them "shoot it." And I mean that on private property. In public, go ahead and regulate it (none of that stuff at public ranges, etc.)
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I just make it a habit to not let children use things that have the ability to kill humans.

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cars, gasoline and matches, guns, knives, cranes lifting pianos, etc.
Perhaps only those that are specifically designed to kill. Even knives can be (and mostly are) used for other functions.
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Perhaps only those that are specifically designed to kill. Even knives can be (and mostly are) used for other functions.
A firearm is designed to to discharge and stabilize a bullet so that the bullet may impact a specific target. It isn't designed to "kill". All it does as an inanimate object is stabilize a high-speed projectile. People choose what target they hit with the bullet, be it a paper target, a piece of fruit, an animal, or a human.

A knife is designed with a sharp edge in order to be able to slice through things. Humans put it to use by other cutting meat, vegetables, prying things with it, opening letters, etc. It too is not designed to kill.

When you break it down to what these objects actually do, they aren't designed to kill. It's how they're used by humans that can lead to that result.
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I guess I agree with the earlier post begging the mods to move these gun related threads out of general off topic. They are all toxic.
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Yes. And Bombs aren't designed to kill either. They're made to create joy for others in the form of loud noises and pretty colors.
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Yes. And Bombs aren't designed to kill either. They're made to create joy for others in the form of loud noises and pretty colors.
Neither are nuclear bombs. It's really just a natural atomic reaction that is placed at the tip of a missile (also not designed to kill).
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Yes. And Bombs aren't designed to kill either. They're made to create joy for others in the form of loud noises and pretty colors.
A bomb explodes, sending uncontrolled deadly projectiles in every single direction and destroying whatever is in their path. There is no control element by humans, other than setting it off. Distinct difference.

Fireworks are explosives designed to entertain people by igniting different elements to create light and colors. Their specific purpose is to explode in the air at a safe distance. They can be misused to cause destruction to people or property. But they are designed to explode. It's their specific use that causes entertainment or destruction. I hear no one calling for a blanket ban on fireworks.
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Neither are nuclear bombs. It's really just a natural atomic reaction that is placed at the tip of a missile (also not designed to kill).
Name another purpose of a nuclear bomb or missile, other than to cause mass destruction. I'll wait.
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Name another purpose of a nuclear bomb or missile, other than to cause mass destruction. I'll wait.
Produce clean energy

Power naval ships and subs

Power mars rovers
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Guns are designed to kill, and so are bombs. I really see very little room for discussion in that statement. Nothing said up there ^^^ really works.

Take your quote:

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A firearm is designed to to discharge and stabilize a bullet so that the bullet may impact a specific target. It isn't designed to "kill". All it does as an inanimate object is stabilize a high-speed projectile. People choose what target they hit with the bullet, be it a paper target, a piece of fruit, an animal, or a human.
A bomb is designed to detonate a certain amount of explosives so that a certain area is caused targeted destruction. It isn't designed to "kill." All it does as an inanimate object is eliminate things in the vicinity of where it is placed by a human. People choose what the eliminate with the bomb, be it humans, a building, a tastycake or a whale.
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I know nothing about nukes.... an understanding of nuclear science can be implemented for destruction or construction. You're only arguing packaging.
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Guns are designed to kill, and so are bombs. I really see very little room for discussion in that statement. Nothing said up there ^^^ really works.

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A bomb is designed to detonate a certain amount of explosives so that a certain area is caused targeted destruction. It isn't designed to "kill." All it does as an inanimate object is eliminate things in the vicinity of where it is placed by a human. People choose what the eliminate with the bomb, be it humans, a building, a tastycake or a whale.
You're right. Dynamite is a bomb, Its designed to destroy things around it. And its intended use is to help in mining by removing rock. It too can be perverted in its intended use by humans to take human life.

Guns aren't designed to kill. They are designed to stabilize a bullet over a certain distance. Its intended use is to stabilize a bullet to hit an intended target. I think you'd find that more targets and animals are hit by bullets from guns in a given year than humans are. Their primary intended purpose is not to kill humans. Or animals for that matter.
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I know nothing about nukes.... an understanding of nuclear science can be implemented for destruction or construction. You're only arguing packaging.
The nuclear reaction for a nuclear bomb is different in many ways than one that takes place in a nuclear reactor. Its about control and containment, as well as the actual process itself. But we are off base at this point.
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