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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 05-06-2013, 10:39 PM   #41
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Guns are designed to kill, and so are bombs. I really see very little room for discussion in that statement. Nothing said up there ^^^ really works.

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A bomb is designed to detonate a certain amount of explosives so that a certain area is caused targeted destruction. It isn't designed to "kill." All it does as an inanimate object is eliminate things in the vicinity of where it is placed by a human. People choose what the eliminate with the bomb, be it humans, a building, a tastycake or a whale.
And cars are designed to pollute the air.

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Old 05-06-2013, 10:40 PM   #42
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You're right. Dynamite is a bomb, Its designed to destroy things around it. And its intended use is to help in mining by removing rock. It too can be perverted in its intended use by humans to take human life.

Guns aren't designed to kill. They are designed to stabilize a bullet over a certain distance. Its intended use is to stabilize a bullet to hit an intended target. I think you'd find that more targets and animals are hit by bullets from guns in a given year than humans are. Their primary intended purpose is not to kill humans. Or animals for that matter.
I'm sure that you are correct about that. I just disagree that things like guns and bombs (as I've demonstrated in this way- they are no different) are designed to kill, even if they do not do so every time they are used.

That doesn't mean that I think that bombs or guns are evil in themselves, or that they should all be taken or any ridiculous thing such as that that, but, they are indeed designed to kill (and protect).

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Shame there isn't a way to ensure gun owners have and use safes if they have children present without violating a slew of rights
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A firearm is designed to to discharge and stabilize a bullet so that the bullet may impact a specific target. It isn't designed to "kill". All it does as an inanimate object is stabilize a high-speed projectile. People choose what target they hit with the bullet, be it a paper target, a piece of fruit, an animal, or a human.

A knife is designed with a sharp edge in order to be able to slice through things. Humans put it to use by other cutting meat, vegetables, prying things with it, opening letters, etc. It too is not designed to kill.

When you break it down to what these objects actually do, they aren't designed to kill. It's how they're used by humans that can lead to that result.
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Shame there isn't a way to ensure gun owners have and use safes if they have children present without violating a slew of rights
It is illegal to leave a gun unattended or within access to a minor. It's up to the gun owners to ensure that they comply with the law. You could pass all the laws in the world, but its ultimately down to personal responsibility.

But by all means, if you feel everyone having safes would make things safer, I'm ok with the government handing out grants or discount programs for gun owners to buy safes.
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I'm serious. You have to get a license to drive a car, but any moron can have a baby. Fuxking ridiculous.
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I'm serious. You have to get a license to drive a car, but any moron can have a baby. Fuxking ridiculous.
China has reproduction laws....



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I'm serious. You have to get a license to drive a car, but any moron can have a baby. Fuxking ridiculous.
It really is, every time I go out in public I at some of the parents I see. It's ridiculous.
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A firearm is designed to to discharge and stabilize a bullet so that the bullet may impact a specific target. It isn't designed to "kill". All it does as an inanimate object is stabilize a high-speed projectile. People choose what target they hit with the bullet, be it a paper target, a piece of fruit, an animal, or a human.

A knife is designed with a sharp edge in order to be able to slice through things. Humans put it to use by other cutting meat, vegetables, prying things with it, opening letters, etc. It too is not designed to kill.

When you break it down to what these objects actually do, they aren't designed to kill. It's how they're used by humans that can lead to that result.
Obviously you don't know the history of the firearm. It was designed to gain a tactical military advantage. First appearing in China. A military designed weapon has one purpose...to kill. Your argument is silly. So as much as you try to victimize yourself and state that a gun is nothing more than a harmless peashooter that people don't understand be straight on it history and the purpose of its design. Modern designs are simply improvements to increase effectiveness, reliability, operation, and lethality.

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Name another purpose of a nuclear bomb or missile, other than to cause mass destruction. I'll wait.
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Obviously you don't know the history of the firearm. It was designed to gain a tactical military advantage. First appearing in China. A military designed weapon has one purpose...to kill. Your argument is silly. So as much as you try to victimize yourself and state that a gun is nothing more than a harmless peashooter that people don't understand be straight on it history and the purpose of its design. Modern designs are simply improvements to increase effectiveness, reliability, operation, and lethality.
Sure they were, but primary uses change over time. What remains the same is what the actual product does or what it is designed to do. The firearm is designed to stabilize a potentially lethal projectile to hit a target.

Here's another. What's this?



That's a corkscrew, right? And most people would agree that it's primary purpose and what it's designed to do is remove corks from wine bottles. Right?

Would it surprise you to know that that very tool was once called a gun worm? It's original primary purpose and design was to remove ammunition from weapons that had gotten stuck in the weapon itself. Soldiers would use the gun worm to get the round out of the gun so as to make it functional again. This was really prevalent in earlier designs of the firearm, like muskets. They could still be used today in all likelihood to clear squib rounds and other obstructions from the barrels of modern firearms.

It was only after people got frustrated trying to use pliers and all sorts of other tools to remove corks from wine bottles that a military trained wine drinker discovered a new use for the gun worm: removing corks. And so the primary purpose of the gun worm changed and the corkscrew was born.

Firearms were designed from the very beginning to most accurately expel projectiles at lethal speeds. Humans used them to kill other humans. By and large, one could make the argument that a firearm's primary purpose today is to send that bullet toward a paper target or piece of fruit. After all, more than a majority of bullets fired from a fun today are fired at targets and are not intended to kill anything.

The function remains the same for both. A firearm controls and stabilizes a high velocity projectile in an attempt to hit a specific target. A corkscrew/gun worm removes an obstruction from a bore (either wine bottle or barrel). Its primary purpose is decided by humans who use them and the prevalence by which they are used.

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How many times have they been used for that purpose? Zero. How many times have whey been used against a human population? Twice. How many times have they been used to destroy a given area under testing? At least 100. The bomb is designed to destroy a given area; if humans happen to be there, they'll be destroyed as well. The nuke's purpose is not to kill humans primarily.
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How many times have they been used for that purpose? Zero. How many times have whey been used against a human population? Twice. How many times have they been used to destroy a given area under testing? At least 100. The bomb is designed to destroy a given area; if humans happen to be there, they'll be destroyed as well. The nuke's purpose is not to kill humans primarily.
Color me confused. You asked for "another purpose of a nuclear bomb or missile, other than to cause mass destruction", I gave you one, you say it's never been used for that, only against human populations, now you say it's purpose is not to kill humans primarily?
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Color me confused. You asked for "another purpose of a nuclear bomb or missile, other than to cause mass destruction", I gave you one, you say it's never been used for that, only against human populations, now you say it's purpose is not to kill humans primarily?
Ok, sure it causes mass destruction. It would be causing mass destruction of an asteroid or a comet, no? It's primary purpose is to cause mass destruction. That's the purpose of a nuke and what it's always been designed to do.

Now you've got me turned around haha I have to re-read what we both wrote so I get everything straight again.
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You've got a point JJ. We've gone from children having guns to fireworks to atom bombs to baby permits and now we've arrived at gun worms and corkscrews. This thread has taken more turns than any I can ever remember hahaha
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*sigh* and now a mod has moved the thread into Gun Talk, where it will have zero exposure and debate can immediately cease. Almost no one but the gun people come in here. So thanks for that whoever decided to move it; much appreciated. Go ahead and leave all the other political nature threads in General, like the Collins gay thread. But shove ours into the background.
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