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Old 05-06-2013, 12:26 PM   #1
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Uncle meets resistance in planning Tsarnaev's burial

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Ruslan Tsarni met with Massachusetts funeral home director
Some cemeteries have refused to take the body of Tamerlan Tsarnaev
Funeral director says some have called him "un-American" for handling burial
Relatives of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev visited the Graham, Putnum & Mahoney Funeral Parlors on Sunday, planning to wash Tsarnaev's body in the traditional Islamic fashion and make funeral arrangements, The Boston Globe reported.

Tsarnaev's uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, is overseeing the burial arrangements, although where the burial takes place has not been determined. Some local cemeteries have rejected requests to bury Tsarnaev, the Globe said.

A handful of flag-waving protesters had stood outside the funeral home in Worcester, Mass., on Saturday. One sign read: "Do not bury him on U.S. soil." Several people drove by the funeral home Sunday and yelled, including one man who shouted, "Throw him off a boat like Osama bin Laden!"

Tsarnaev and his young brother, Dzhokhar, are Muslims from the Chechen area of Russia. Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a gunbattle with police days after the April 15 bombings. Dzhokhar, 19, is being held on charges that could being the death penalty.

Tsarni has denounced them both, saying they brought shame to their family and to the Chechen community.

Tsarni said he appreciated the help of the funeral home's director, Peter Stefan. He said he understands that "no one wants to associate their names with such evil acts" as the bombings that killed three people and left more than 260 injured.

"Tamerlan Tsarnaev has no other place to be buried. There is no other place to accept this body," Tsarni said. "He lived in America. He grew up here and for the last 10 years he decided to be in Cambridge. ... His home 'country' is Cambridge, Mass."

Stefan said Tsarni told him he is eager to bury his nephew. "They just want to get it over with," Stefan said.

The funeral director, whom some people have called "un-American" for being willing to handle Tsarnaev's funeral, said he has a professional obligation.

"We take an oath to do this. Can I pick and choose? No. Can I separate the sins from the sinners? No," Stefan said. "We are burying a dead body. That's what we do."

The state medical examiner ruled that Tsarnaev died from gunshot wounds and blunt trauma to his head and torso, and released the body Friday. Stefan said representatives from the family's legal team would likely photograph the body before it is washed.

After the body is washed, no further medical examination can be conducted without violating the religious burial tradition, Stefan said.

"Once that body is washed and shrouded, the only place we're going after that is to the cemetery," Stefan said.


So Timothy McVeigh gets a burial after blowing up half of a building and Tsarnaev is refused? What gives? I thought we were a Christian nation. Isn't forgiveness part of Jesus teachings.
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So Timothy McVeigh gets a burial after blowing up half of a building and Tsarnaev is refused? What gives? I thought we were a Christian nation. Isn't forgiveness part of Jesus teachings.
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Stupid statement.
why is he being refused burial?
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^^Crazy how the Oklahoma building didn't collapse..... Must not have had those "intense" paper and desk fires that WTC building 7 had!
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^^Crazy how the Oklahoma building didn't collapse..... Must not have had those "intense" paper and desk fires that WTC building 7 had!
What a wonderfully well thought out statement.
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^^Crazy how the Oklahoma building didn't collapse..... Must not have had those "intense" paper and desk fires that WTC building 7 had!
Kaput is going to sniff this statement out.

Why not just cremate him? It's eco friendly.

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why is he being refused burial?
Ok, sorry I shall clarify what I found stupid. I could care less if they refuse to bury him.
It really has nothing to do with this nation being founded on Christian beliefs. It has to do with no one wanted a terrorist buried on the grounds of their cemetery
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Stupid statement.
Which part? Should McVeigh have been denied burial as well?
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So Timothy McVeigh gets a burial after blowing up half of a building and Tsarnaev is refused? What gives? I thought we were a Christian nation. Isn't forgiveness part of Jesus teachings.
We are a nation of religious freedom. I'm sure you know that.
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Ok, sorry I shall clarify what I found stupid. I could care less if they refuse to bury him.
All the other nutbags in this country that aren't refused burial..why this guy? Just asking the question.
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why is he being refused burial?
Because people who own the land and cemetaries dont want people to come visit only to desecrate it or whatever else.. cant blame them

the gov. should step in and toss it off the side of a boat into the ocean
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Probably because the rage is still high 3 weeks after the incident.
And the cemetery managers probably think that there will be vandalism or protests at the cemetery if he is buried there.

McVeigh was killed in prison a few years after the bombing and I guess the rage had diminished.
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All the other nutbags in this country that aren't refused burial..why this guy? Just asking the question.
I did a quick ninja edit to my statement above. I can't speak to timothy mcveigh, I was a youngin at the time, But I guess they just don't want a terrorist buried on the grounds though
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So Timothy McVeigh gets a burial after blowing up half of a building and Tsarnaev is refused? What gives? I thought we were a Christian nation. Isn't forgiveness part of Jesus teachings.
He would have been refused to be buried at a military cemetary........ but he was cremated and his ashes given to his lawyer. Plus his death was years and years later...... Not necessarily a "Too Soon?" moment.

Hard to compare the two......
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^ and his lawyer disposed of the ashes in an undisclosed manner.. so no one will ever know.
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