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Old 05-07-2013, 10:15 AM   #1
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Hello BMW Experts!

I am so confused.
What are the stock brake pads on a 330i? Pagid, Textar, or Jurid?
I don't tend to beat my brakes too much, but want the fast initial bite that the OEM pads are supposed to do best (especially on hiways & in rain or snow, when they might be cold).
Oh yeah, who has the best prices on the stock pads, pls?

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Old 05-07-2013, 10:30 AM   #2
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most come with textar, or pagid. good price for fronts and rears should be less than $110 but you'll noticed that prices won't vary much from company to company. personally i order from bmaparts.com because price is good and they are delivered within 1-2 days.
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textar is OE...but pagid or jurid (maybe both) use an OE compound.

Also, you probably don't need both axles done...usually you'll get twice the life out of the rear.

...and finally, you should beat on your brakes...ironically, they last longer that way. If you try to treat them easily, what you're doing is holding the pads on hot rotors for longer and the heat won't dissipate as quickly as when you threshold brake...hard stab just before the turn.
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textar is OE...but pagid or jurid (maybe both) use an OE compound.

Also, you probably don't need both axles done...usually you'll get twice the life out of the rear.

...and finally, you should beat on your brakes...ironically, they last longer that way. If you try to treat them easily, what you're doing is holding the pads on hot rotors for longer and the heat won't dissipate as quickly as when you threshold brake...hard stab just before the turn.
Genuine BMW is OE. Textar is OEM. Big difference, D. I've had trouble with textar. I would not buy again. I'm getting performance friction next.

And not exactly sure what you meant by all that other stuff.
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Akebono ceramic pads are very nice..
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Genuine BMW is OE. Textar is OEM. Big difference, D. I've had trouble with textar. I would not buy again. I'm getting performance friction next.

And not exactly sure what you meant by all that other stuff.
On the first...I'm saying that BMW pads from the dealer say Textar on them and when I compared the Textars I got from bmaparts with the pads I got from the dealer, they were identical...except for the roundel...every number/designation stamped on the bmw pad was on the textar. Anyway...I agree it's OEM...and I know you had trouble with Textar...I haven't.

...and on the other stuff...I meant that it's better on the brakes/rotors to use them hard when you use them, rather than to 'be easy' on them. If someone uses the brakes gently to save them, they're really not...at least, so I've read and believe...and I read enough to believe. Scares the crap out of my son always wondering if I'm going to remember to brake!
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textar is OE...but pagid or jurid (maybe both) use an OE compound.

Also, you probably don't need both axles done...usually you'll get twice the life out of the rear....
Hi Dmax,
It depends; I need to change my front rotors & maybe rear rotors, and also want to try a different brand of pad. I'm not loving my StopTech pads. So that means new rr pads as well to keep the balance equal.
But I just checked my rotor better, & while the fronts have a nice lip, the rears only have a tint lip. So I'll keep them for a while.

"Scares the crap out of my son always wondering if I'm going to remember to brake!"
I so often have a dog or two in the back, I have to be easy on the brakes. But when I ditch the mutts & little woman, it's a different story. But I don't track my car.

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On the first...I'm saying that BMW pads from the dealer say Textar on them and when I compared the Textars I got from bmaparts with the pads I got from the dealer, they were identical...except for the roundel...every number/designation stamped on the bmw pad was on the textar. Anyway...I agree it's OEM...and I know you had trouble with Textar...I haven't.

...and on the other stuff...I meant that it's better on the brakes/rotors to use them hard when you use them, rather than to 'be easy' on them. If someone uses the brakes gently to save them, they're really not...at least, so I've read and believe...and I read enough to believe. Scares the crap out of my son always wondering if I'm going to remember to brake!
I know what you are saying about Textar visual twins to OE cause I was the first to say it. Using hard is fine but so is using gentle. Beat on them unnecessarily hard though and I hope you change your brake fluid more often.
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Not sure why using them hard would require more frequent brake fluid changing...they hold less heat when using hard...as the pads sit on rotors for less time. Truth is, though, I hardly ever use my brakes in traffic...I just drive like a truck.

OP...I got 60K miles on my front pads...just fyi...and the rotors were above min thickness.

Anyway, if you want it to stop like a bmw, use bmw parts...OE or textars...trust me. Not doubting that Mango didn't have issues with textar, but I'd say it's either an aberration or something else was going on...but I'm the same way as him...once I 'next' a product, I just won't use it again either.
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Not sure why using them hard would require more frequent brake fluid changing...they hold less heat when using hard...as the pads sit on rotors for less time. Truth is, though, I hardly ever use my brakes in traffic...I just drive like a truck.

OP...I got 60K miles on my front pads...just fyi...and the rotors were above min thickness.

Anyway, if you want it to stop like a bmw, use bmw parts...OE or textars...trust me. Not doubting that Mango didn't have issues with textar, but I'd say it's either an aberration or something else was going on...but I'm the same way as him...once I 'next' a product, I just won't use it again either.
I had two sets of Textars with the same results. BMAparts finally exchanged them at no additional cost for ATEs. Been perfect since. Tock had the same experience.

Also hard braking generates heat and heat degrades brake fluid by causing gas (air bubbles) which is compressable. That compression compromises braking performance and feel. Seriously, DMAX? If I were going to your comedy gig, I'd probably cancel my appearance! just saying!
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I have 87,000 miles on my Jurid pads/Balo rotors and am extremely gentle with them. I focus on "energy management" - paying attention far down the road so I don't have to use them hard at all (which saves gas, saves brakes and avoids rear end crashes). Lift off the throttle and coast, or downshift, when necessary. It's amazing how many idiots on the road go full bore right until they hit that approaching red light then slam on the brakes.

By what's left of them, the pads will easily go over 100,000 miles. No chance they would last that long if I used them hard. Also, it seems like a jackass move to be slamming on your brakes at the last second on the street.

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I have 87,000 miles on my Jurid pads and am extremely gentle with them. I focus on "energy management" - paying attention far down the road so I don't have to use them hard at all (which saves gas, saves brakes and avoids rear end crashes). Lift off the throttle and coast, or downshift, when necessary. It's amazing how many idiots on the road go full bore right until they hit that approaching red light then slam on the brakes.

By what's left of them, the pads will easily go over 100,000 miles. No chance they would last that long if I used them hard. Also, it seems like a jackass move to be slamming on your brakes at the last second on the street.
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ATE brake pads smell like butthole.

Yup I said it.

Also- murf- no disrespect, but less posting, more searching.
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Yup I said it.

Also- murf- no disrespect, but less posting, more searching.
They smell just like Textar how do your pads smell?
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They smell just like Textar how do your pads smell?
Like Strawberries.

All I know is that I removed the pads that came with my car and threw them out (ATE) because they got that dank smell bro!

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Hi D,
I search before almost all my questions. Sometimes I pick the wrong search terms, sometimes the results are contradictory or inadequate.
Sometimes I get a little tired of reading answers by so many, um, experts and feel the need to guide the discussion!

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Like Strawberries.

All I know is that I removed the pads that came with my car and threw them out (ATE) because they got that dank smell bro!

I have no shame.
When you come down, I'll show you a bit of what ATE pads are capable of But I want performance friction next.

Ready?

This is one of the "milder" ones too

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I search before almost all my questions. Sometimes I pick the wrong search terms, sometimes the results are contradictory or inadequate.
Sometimes I get a little tired of reading answers by so many, um, experts and feel the need to guide the discussion!

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It takes two seconds to find out that Jurid is OEM supplier for fronts and Textar is oem supplier for rears. No need to make two threads on your search for brakes and rotors.
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...and on the other stuff...I meant that it's better on the brakes/rotors to use them hard when you use them, rather than to 'be easy' on them. If someone uses the brakes gently to save them, they're really not...at least, so I've read and believe...and I read enough to believe. Scares the crap out of my son always wondering if I'm going to remember to brake!
Brakes turn the kinetic energy of the car into heat. So, braking 0-50 mph in 100 feet will convert the same amount of energy as stopping 0-50 in 200 feet. The 100 foot stop will reach a higher peak temperature. So on the 200 foot stop, you'll have more of a plateau in terms of temperature vs time, and on the 100 foot stop it'll create more of a peak. This is all very non-linear since as the temperature rises, heat dissipation through the air increases drastically. So, the 100 foot stop will rapidly drop in temperature and asymptotically approach the 200 foot stop's cooling temp. The wear component is extremely complex. I can't say whether stopping faster causes more or less wear necessarily. Honestly, it probably all about equals out except in extreme circumstances. For instance, we all know riding the brakes down a hill is terrible so you either downshift, or use the brakes in harder pulses with rest in between.

We all know that harder braking is more fun though. So there's that.
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