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Old 05-07-2013, 09:49 PM   #1
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Gun violence rate down, media convinces people otherwise

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/...ublic-unaware/

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National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, paralleling a general decline in violent crime, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. Beneath the long-term trend, though, are big differences by decade: Violence plunged through the 1990s, but has declined less dramatically since 2000.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Nearly all the decline in the firearm homicide rate took place in the 1990s; the downward trend stopped in 2001 and resumed slowly in 2007. The victimization rate for other gun crimes plunged in the 1990s, then declined more slowly from 2000 to 2008. The rate appears to be higher in 2011 compared with 2008, but the increase is not statistically significant. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall also dropped in the 1990s before declining more slowly from 2000 to 2010, then ticked up in 2011.

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.
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nice...graphs. this is irrefutable evidence. wait a minute , i will now dismiss your source as propaganda or some right wing site.
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I pay no mind to the media these days. It's turned into episodes of wannabe reality TV with people engrossed in buffoonery that has no relevance to anything that really matters or for that matter makes sense.
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I pay no mind to the media these days. It's turned into episodes of wannabe reality TV with people engrossed in buffoonery that has no relevance to anything that really matters or for that matter makes sense.
I concur, but they influence opinion and elections with their lies. Think of all the free publicity they give their pet candidates. Heck, Colbert's sister's arrest record and jail time wasn't even mentioned and people were still doing stories on Sanford's Argentinian affair (he's engaged to her now).
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I concur, but they influence opinion and elections with their lies. Think of all the free publicity they give their pet candidates. Heck, Colbert's sister's arrest record and jail time wasn't even mentioned and people were still doing stories on Sanford's Argentinian affair (he's engaged to her now).
The issue with Sanford wasn't the affair, but utilizing taxpayer funds to carry out the affair.

In any event, it was surprising that no one really mentioned Colbert's sister's past, er, transgressions, lol. It was mentioned, but not like Sanford's offenses.
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You're attributing this in your thread title to 'the media,' yet no where in the article is any reference made to where Americans got these beliefs from. I believe that most Americans have beliefs and then just watch the media that confirm these beliefs.

I also believe that most Americans believe in god, despite all the evidence against...which evidence is the total lack of evidence.
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Fear sells.
The NRA and gun-fetishists lobby certainly counts and plays on that, big-time.
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Good news, obviously, but...

That says more about how bad the gun death rate was five years ago rather than how good it is now, which is way higher than any modern industrialized country.

So perhaps the best we can say is that we're not quite so awful as we were. Our gun death and murder rates are still appallingly high.

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I love graphs, lol.

3/100,000 people is not appallingly higher than 1/100,000.
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Looks like Clinton's assault rifle ban worked.
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Looks like Clinton's assault rifle ban worked.
Unless you can prove that, correlation does not imply causation.
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I love graphs, lol.

3/100,000 people is not appallingly higher than 1/100,000.
Please explain that then to the extra 6,000+ people that were murdered by guns than would have been that case were our gun murder rate only 1/100,000. That's equivalent to two 9/11s per year, every year that difference remains. Yet somehow this added level of death is acceptable whereas half that as represented by 9/11 wasn't? Why?

I certainly find 6,000+ extra gun murder death quite appalling, as well as the 3,000+ death from even a 1/100,000 yearly rate.

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It's just a massive coincidence.

Right?
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Please explain that then to the extra 6,000+ people that were murdered by guns than would have been that case were our gun murder rate only 1/100,000. That's equivalent to two 9/11s per year, every year that difference remains. Yet somehow this added level of death is acceptable whereas half that as represented by 9/11 wasn't? Why?
You seem to be ignoring the motivation behind 9/11 and the actual method of how it was carried out.
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It's just a massive coincidence.

Right?
Well, the ban expired in 2004 and we have still seen a decline in gun deaths. If the AWB was the sole reason behind the drop, wouldn't we have seen a rise in gun deaths post 2004?
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1993: Peak of gun homicide rate

1994: Clinton assault rifle ban put into effect

1995 - 2013: Steady decline in gun homicides

Conclusion: Coincidence
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1993: Peak of gun homicide rate

1994: Clinton assault rifle ban put into effect

1995 - 2013: Steady decline in gun homicides

Conclusion: Coincidence
Read what I posted again. Although, I don't expect you to reply with anything that resembles a rational thought process.
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