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Old 05-08-2013, 04:10 PM   #1
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Why the hell do we care about "Social Issues" so much

It kinda angers me.

There are so many more important things we could work on, yet were still stuck debating Roe V. Wade, and whether or not certain people can be married.


Can we please move on as a country. Pretty Please?
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:12 PM   #2
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Abortion isn't really a social issue, but I do agree with you. When you have doctors aborting children already born and breathing abortion becomes a criminal law issue.
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It kinda angers me.

There are so many more important things we could work on, yet were still stuck debating Roe V. Wade, and whether or not certain people can be married.


Can we please move on as a country. Pretty Please?
A good portion of the country doesn't seem to want to move on, unfortunately.

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Abortion isn't really a social issue, but I do agree with you. When you have doctors aborting children already born and breathing abortion becomes a criminal law issue.
Totally agree with you on this. I do get super frustrated with these types of people.

"Stop using a random occurrence such as Newtown to try to outlaw my guns!"

....but then go on to say this....

"Abortions should be illegal because of a monster like Gosnell!"
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:28 PM   #4
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Totally agree with you on this. I do get super frustrated with these types of people.

"Stop using a random occurrence such as Newtown to try to outlaw my guns!"

....but then go on to say this....

"Abortions should be illegal because of a monster like Gosnell!"
I'm not arguing that they should be illegal, I'm pro abortion. I'm saying there is a scientific argument against abortion that can be made outside the realm of morality. I still choose abortion but at least I can recognize that there is a valid scientific argument about when life begins.
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Totally agree with you on this. I do get super frustrated with these types of people.

"Stop using a random occurrence such as Newtown to try to outlaw my guns!"

....but then go on to say this....

"Abortions should be illegal because of a monster like Gosnell!"


it annoys the **** out of me when people do this. the worst part is that both sides are pretty much arguing for the same thing, "personal freedom"
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To hell with social issues. In the grand scheme of things they are not that important. That being said give people their rights and be done with this nonsense.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:16 PM   #7
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To hell with social issues. In the grand scheme of things they are not that important. That being said give people their rights and be done with this nonsense.
My dream world is this ^
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On today's CNN homepage: no mention of gun regulations or background checks. The focus of our nation has turned from that to the most important story of the day: those three women who escaped from their abductors in Ohio.

Legislators push for legislation on their agenda when tragic events happen, because they know that the public is fickle and most people won't think about guns/abortion/gay marriage for a minute until the next event/tragedy occurs. Then they'll think about the issue for a minute and be very, very concerned while demanding action. Then another shiny new story will come down the pike and people will turn to that with laserlike intensity.
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It kinda angers me.

There are so many more important things we could work on, yet were still stuck debating Roe V. Wade, and whether or not certain people can be married.


Can we please move on as a country. Pretty Please?
Allow abortion through the second trimester and life of the mother and I will get down off my "repeal the late-term abortion ban" soapbox. Let two consenting adults be married under the law or repeal every marriage law on the books and get the govt out of the marriage biz all together. I am OK with either option.

With that said, you have to understand everything is a social issue.
You don't think the economy is a social issue? Or healthcare? Or SocSec? Or the deficit? Really???

Supply-side econ is social engineering, as is increased welfare benefits as is universal healthcare or if you can't pay die in the street as is...and the list goes on.
Don't you think OWS "1%" and Romney's "47%" are basically societal arguments?


"Social Issues" are what drive this country. Always have. Whether it was constitutional freedom in the 1700's, slavery and expansion at the cost of genocide in the 1800's, women's suffrage, civil rights, booze, dope, and abortion in the 1900's. Abortion is still with us today as are civil rights, this time cloaked in the term "gay rights" (a term mostly started and used by conservatives in the 1970's because of the stigma at that time associated to the word "gay". Talk about attempts at social engineering.)


We are a society and social issues are a hydra. Chop off the head of one, two more take its place.
Its all social issues.
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On today's CNN homepage: no mention of gun regulations or background checks. The focus of our nation has turned from that to the most important story of the day: those three women who escaped from their abductors in Ohio.

Legislators push for legislation on their agenda when tragic events happen, because they know that the public is fickle and most people won't think about guns/abortion/gay marriage for a minute until the next event/tragedy occurs. Then they'll think about the issue for a minute and be very, very concerned while demanding action. Then another shiny new story will come down the pike and people will turn to that with laserlike intensity.
I have to disagree. Certainly on the abortion and gay marriage issues. If it was really a case of just today's shiny, these issues would not keep coming up time and time and time again. I agree many issue of the moments are replaced the next day by the new shiny: under-age drinking on college campuses or porn on the internet for examples. But, I think you have to admit that guns, abortion, and gay marriage just keep marching back to the front pages over and over again.
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Because jesus and republicans.
Dude seriously...why is every political post you make on this site an attack on republicans and jesus?
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Dude seriously...why is every political post you make on this site an attack on republicans and jesus?
Because they fvck up everything they touch.

I thought you knew?
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It's kinda funny how people associate republicans and Jesus...

Because republicans hardly follow Jesus Christ's teachings aside from high profile things like the issues we were discussing above.
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Don't engage the simpleton, it isn't worth it.
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Allow abortion through the second trimester and life of the mother and I will get down off my "repeal the late-term abortion ban" soapbox. Let two consenting adults be married under the law or repeal every marriage law on the books and get the govt out of the marriage biz all together. I am OK with either option.

With that said, you have to understand everything is a social issue.
You don't think the economy is a social issue? Or healthcare? Or SocSec? Or the deficit? Really???

Supply-side econ is social engineering, as is increased welfare benefits as is universal healthcare or if you can't pay die in the street as is...and the list goes on.
Don't you think OWS "1%" and Romney's "47%" are basically societal arguments?


"Social Issues" are what drive this country. Always have. Whether it was constitutional freedom in the 1700's, slavery and expansion at the cost of genocide in the 1800's, women's suffrage, civil rights, booze, dope, and abortion in the 1900's. Abortion is still with us today as are civil rights, this time cloaked in the term "gay rights" (a term mostly started and used by conservatives in the 1970's because of the stigma at that time associated to the word "gay". Talk about attempts at social engineering.)


We are a society and social issues are a hydra. Chop off the head of one, two more take its place.
Its all social issues.


Social issues are typically very intertwined with fiscal issues. It's also no surprise that those who say "who cares about social issues?" aren't on the shitter end of one.
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Don't engage the simpleton, it isn't worth it.
Yes, it sucks when you have your ass handed to you by a simpleton.
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Because they fvck up everything they touch.

I thought you knew?
there is an equal number of ignorant ****-ups on both sides of the aisle... i hope your not dumb enough to believe otherwise.
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