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Old 05-11-2013, 09:17 AM   #1
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Hispanic Custodian: English only warning sign made me get hurt

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DENVER (CBS4)- A group of Hispanic custodians at the Auraria Campus in downtown Denver are claiming they are victims of discrimination.

They've filed a complaint against the campus operator that could be reviewed by a federal judge.

What started out as a miscommunication over a schedule change for employees working the graveyard shift has become a full investigation by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

"Too many things have happened to me there that I don't even know how to explain it," said Auraria custodian Bertha Ribota.

Ribota said she was injured at work because she couldn't read a warning sign that was in English.

"If I could speak English I wouldn't have the problems that exist," said Ribota.


Last week 12 custodians from the Auraria Campus filed an EEOC complaint against the Auraria Higher Education Center, which is the organization that maintains the campus for Metro State University of Denver, the Community College of Denver and the University of Colorado Denver.

"What is sort of a neutral business practice, that they speak English on campus and it's an English-only campus has a discriminatory impact on this group of workers," said attorney Tim Markham.

The complaint accused the campus of purposely leaving employees that only speak Spanish in the dark on the terms and conditions of their employment, changes in their working status, safety and more.

When asked if it was a problem those employees were not being informed of those things in their native language, campus spokesman Blaine Nickeson replied, "I don't know if that's a problem. I think it's one of the concerns. I will go on to say there's not a statute to translate."

Campus operators said there is no state law requiring complete translations. It is standard at other universities in Colorado.

The Auraria Campus believes employees should understand some basic English.

"It's not our goal to provide every document translated or every conversation translated. Our employees are expected to interact with members of the public and that interaction we expect them to be able to understand English," said Nickeson.

The EEOC could take several weeks to review the case. If they find actual damages the Department of Justice would get involved.
This is interesting because I wrote an article in law school for Law Review that was to be published on the subject regarding English-Only rules in the workplace. Legally, you can have English-Only rules if they relate to the safety of the workplace. You can also discriminate if your business has a theme...the classic case is Hooters, where men tried to sue and rightfully lost.

This is just another case of no personal accountability. Does anyone here think that anyone should be able to come here from any country and have things catered to them in their own language? I mean, really!
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"If I could speak English I wouldn't have the problems that exist," said Ribota.
...said Ribota, phonetically, using a phrase of whose meaning she had absolutely no idea but which she memorized for the occasion.
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This is interesting because I wrote an article in law school for Law Review that was to be published on the subject regarding English-Only rules in the workplace. Legally, you can have English-Only rules if they relate to the safety of the workplace. You can also discriminate if your business has a theme...the classic case is Hooters, where men tried to sue and rightfully lost.

This is just another case of no personal accountability. Does anyone here think that anyone should be able to come here from any country and have things catered to them in their own language? I mean, really!
This case is completely stupid. I don't think it should be a requirement to learn English, but don't b1tch when something doesn't work out for you.

On a side note, I thought Hooters settled out of court for $5ish million dollars and agreed to hire male hosts and bartenders?
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Not even mentioning the efficiencies of larger countries.

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This case is completely stupid. I don't think it should be a requirement to learn English, but don't b1tch when something doesn't work out for you.

On a side note, I thought Hooters settled out of court for $5ish million dollars and agreed to hire male hosts and bartenders?
You can't make Hooters hire male waiters, that's what I was referring to. It was over 10 years ago, but I'm surprised about male hosts...bartenders I can see, but hosts are as integral as waitresses for their theme.

Either way, I'm glad you agree this is so dumb
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Hispanic Custodian: English only warning sign made me get hurt

Her getting injured is her fault for not knowing basic English, not anyone else's. At least try to learn the basics.


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This is just another case of no personal accountability. Does anyone here think that anyone should be able to come here from any country and have things catered to them in their own language? I mean, really!
I actually support that all govt documents should only be available in english. Street signs should have English first and largest as should shop signs.

It would be interesting to know exactly what was this sign she couldn't read and why did it not have icons to represent the problem. As they do with high voltage, caustic chemicals, and even slippery surfaces.

Second, if this company only uses english for all such signs and communications, how did she get the job in the first place? If the employer is going to hire people who they know do not speak english, they than have certain workplace safety responsibilities. However, that is what safety icons are there to represent.

"The Auraria Campus believes employees should understand some basic English." OK, not an issue IMO. However, if they are going to do that, than why did they hire these people in the first place?
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You can't make Hooters hire male waiters, that's what I was referring to. It was over 10 years ago, but I'm surprised about male hosts...bartenders I can see, but hosts are as integral as waitresses for their theme.
There was an earlier case (late 80's early 90's ???) that Hooters lost about not hiring smaller breasted women either. I recall going into a Hooters in Atlanta in the early 90's only to find their wasn't anything on staff larger than a B cup.

I believe in the Hooters case regarding gender, they considered the defense that these people were "performers". However, if that was true, than Hooters would have been in violation of Actors Equity union labor regulations. I recall that story showing up in Variety.
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There was an earlier case (late 80's early 90's ???) that Hooters lost about not hiring smaller breasted women either. I recall going into a Hooters in Atlanta in the early 90's only to find their wasn't anything on staff larger than a B cup.

I believe in the Hooters case regarding gender, they considered the defense that these people were "performers". However, if that was true, than Hooters would have been in violation of Actors Equity union labor regulations. I recall that story showing up in Variety.
discussion is now about Hooters. Go!
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1988: English is the official language of Colorado
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Second, if this company only uses english for all such signs and communications, how did she get the job in the first place? If the employer is going to hire people who they know do not speak english, they than have certain workplace safety responsibilities. However, that is what safety icons are there to represent.

"The Auraria Campus believes employees should understand some basic English." OK, not an issue IMO. However, if they are going to do that, than why did they hire these people in the first place?
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I in no way favor the plaintiffs in this case based on what the article says.

But how the hell did the company hire workers that can't read enough English to understand safety signage? That's a for the hiring manager.

Bring a sign to the job interview and have the interviewee read it out loud. Is unemployment so low that you can't pass up a few candidates in favor of ones that can meet such a minimal requirement?

In before the immigration status of these workers turns out to be a hot topic.
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It is of colorado
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Does Colorado have that authority?
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