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Old 05-13-2013, 08:09 PM   #1
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The .25 caliber semi-automatic gun had been given to Beck by her father for protection, and she had forgotten it was in the bottom of the purse....Beck did not have a concealed weapons permit
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Another anecdotal reason why you never "give" a gun to someone, IMHO.
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Another anecdotal reason why you never "give" a gun to someone, IMHO.
another reason not to make a global and absolute determination of proper action based on a singlular incident
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Really stupid...she'll be rightly charged.
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Charge her and make her pay for all medical bills out of her pocket.

Wish they could charge the dad for handing her a loaded weapon.
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Wish they could charge the dad for handing her a loaded weapon.
Why? If you lent me your car and I got drunk and killed someone, would you have any guilt in the crimes I committed?

If it is legal for the father to give a gun to his daughter, there is no crime.
Anything she does with it after the fact is on her
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Why? If you lent me your car and I got drunk and killed someone, would you have any guilt in the crimes I committed?

If it is legal for the father to give a gun to his daughter, there is no crime.
Anything she does with it after the fact is on her
The question is, did her dad say, "keep this in your purse...CWP? You don't need that shit" OR "hey keep this on your night stand and don't carry it anywhere"

Don't you think the Dad has a responsibility to tell her the rules of the weapon he gives her? Using your logic, would you give a car to someone and tell them "you can drive as fast as you want, you don't have to obey the traffic signals" ??
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The question is, did her dad say, "keep this in your purse...CWP? You don't need that ****" OR "hey keep this on your night stand and don't carry it anywhere"

Don't you think the Dad has a responsibility to tell her the rules of the weapon he gives her? Using your logic, would you give a car to someone and tell them "you can drive as fast as you want, you don't have to obey the traffic signals" ??
I wouldn't give a person a car without a driver's license. Hence, they would know the laws.

Personal responsibility. If a dad doesn't tell his daughter about the birds and the bees... and she gets knocked up, should he pay child support?

She's an adult... She should know the laws. If she doesn't, its on her. If she needs a CWP in FL, she should know that. Proper firearm handling, she should know that.
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I wouldn't give a person a car without a driver's license. Hence, they would know the laws.

Personal responsibility. If a dad doesn't tell his daughter about the birds and the bees... and she gets knocked up, should he pay child support?

She's an adult... She should know the laws. If she doesn't, its on her. If she needs a CWP in FL, she should know that. Proper firearm handling, she should know that.
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Who says child support would need to be paid? What if the father is a good guy?

You're kinda comparing apples to oranges on that one, but I see your point...

I still don't think you give someone a gun if you know they don't know how to care for it. An adult that doesn't know anything about guns can be just as dangerous as a child that doesn't know anything about guns.
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Why? If you lent me your car and I got drunk and killed someone, would you have any guilt in the crimes I committed?

If it is legal for the father to give a gun to his daughter, there is no crime.
Anything she does with it after the fact is on her
Do you hand people loaded guns with one in the chamber who are stupid enough to throw that loaded gun into their purse?
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Do you hand people loaded guns with one in the chamber who are stupid enough to throw that loaded gun into their purse?
Well the story is too vague, we need to know more info about WHO actually suggested her carry without a permit, if anyone. Then we can proceed to cast the blame... IMO.
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Well the story is too vague, we need to know more info about WHO actually suggested her carry without a permit, if anyone. Then we can proceed to cast the blame... IMO.
I am talking about common sense and safety not legal carry issues.
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Do you hand people loaded guns with one in the chamber who are stupid enough to throw that loaded gun into their purse?
I typically dont let people borrow my firearms, but if I did, and they did something stupid, it's on them
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I typically dont let people borrow my firearms, but if I did, and they did something stupid, it's on them
I fully understand that, but would you hand it to them with one in the chamber without any basic instructions or rules? The answer is no. Well daddy obviously did.
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I fully understand that, but would you hand it to them with one in the chamber without any basic instructions or rules? The answer is no. Well daddy obviously did.
Do I think it was stupid for dad to do that? Yes
Illegal? No (unless there was a transfer law broken, and that's typically still a crime of the transfee not transferer)

There are thousands of laws at many levels (federal, state, local) that often conflict each other, confuse you and when amended are not ever communicated.
Even for lawyers, navigating through the web of legalese is a FULL time job. I find it hard to fault someone for breaking a possession, transfer or even discharge law unless their INTENT (mens rea) is malicious.

I don't fault the dad for giving his daughter a gun if his intent was for her to have protection
I don't fault the daughter for taking the gun if she had good intentions

I think it is unfortunate that proper handling procedures weren't followed, but hey... police and other trained "experts" with thousands of hours of training OFTEN have negligent discharges too... So training doesn't always prevent these things from happening. Over training can actually CAUSE them too.
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I fully understand that, but would you hand it to them with one in the chamber without any basic instructions or rules? The answer is no. Well daddy obviously did.
I may have missed it. Where exactly did the article explain that she had no understanding of how to handle or use a firearm?

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I may have missed it. Where exactly did the article explain that she had no understanding of how to handle or use a firearm?

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Exactly. This is assumed.
Like I said it's really vague.
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Who says child support would need to be paid? What if the father is a good guy?

You're kinda comparing apples to oranges on that one, but I see your point...

I still don't think you give someone a gun if you know they don't know how to care for it. An adult that doesn't know anything about guns can be just as dangerous as a child that doesn't know anything about guns.
It really dosent matter what you think, what matters is what the law says.

Its 100% legal to give somebody a firearm...as long as there of sound mind, legal age, and has a clean record. Her father has no fault with this. It was a legal transfer and he's out of the picture in the eyes of the law.

There are NO legal requirements that make people have a working knowlege of firearms or how to take care of them to own one.
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