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Old 05-14-2013, 11:54 AM   #1
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Obama Administration seizing journalists' telephone records without explanation

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...intrusion?lite

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theova...press/2157541/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/jus...nes/index.html

http://news.yahoo.com/associated-pre...211333825.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8615229.html

So Obama is clearly using his right arm man Eric Holder to monitor Journalists phone records, fax, and sources.

I think it's pretty obvious what is going here, with all the scandals brewing around this admin, Bengahzi, IRS, and now EPA.. they are making sure they know who is talking... and who is taking note... .

the corruption of this admin is absolutely staggering. STAGGERING.
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Post sensational headlines, ignore this little tidbit:

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But it noted that U.S. officials have previously said the U.S. Attorney's Office in the District of Columbia was conducting a criminal investigation into information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al Qaeda plot to detonate a bomb on an airplane headed for the United States.

Five reporters and an editor involved in that story were among those whose phone numbers were obtained by the government, the AP said.
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What you point out is aside from monitoring other media outlets on a massive scale... Read Gary Pruitt's ( CEO of AP ) statment where be blasts the obama administrtion for their actions.



http://www.theskanner.com/article/AP...rch-2013-05-14

"CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said the Obama administration "has been incredibly aggressive" about prosecuting leakers, and there's no privilege in federal law that allows reporters to protect their sources. But he said past administrations have avoided going that far."

Do some research before you start to smother this failed admin.
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hmmm corruption. doesnt surprise me, hes from chicago after all.
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So Obama is clearly using his right arm man Eric Holder to monitor Journalists phone records, fax, and sources.

I think it's pretty obvious what is going here, with all the scandals brewing around this admin, Bengahzi, IRS, and now EPA.. they are making sure they know who is talking... and who is taking note... .

the corruption of this admin is absolutely staggering. STAGGERING.
Yes because we haven't had STAGGERING corruption and scandals in prior administrations.

Yes because it's so clear it's Obama's doing and he's pulling all the strings and controlling every employee to do something bad. Yes, he must have made the employees at IRS target conservative groups. No way they did that on their own. They must be connected to Obama some how.

For your info, IT'S ALWAYS been illegal to disclose classified info. And it's a GOOD thing they're cracking down on it to protect out national security interests, sources, and methods. Do you not remember the media potentially compromising a source in the Middle East this foiled a bomb plot? That has serious implications and hurts our partnerships with foreign partners since it undermines our credibility that we can't protect information.

Do you not see your flawed line of thinking? Or do you let the media think for you?

Frankly, to me, it doesn't matter who is in office, whether it be Bush, Obama, etc this line of thinking is ridiculous. Of course the president is easy prey.

Here's an analogy. Would you blame the head of BMW GMBH in Germany for something a technician or service manager did at some dealership here in the US? Or would you go after the dealership responsible?




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Yes because we haven't had STAGGERING corruption and scandals in prior administrations.

Yes because it's so clear it's Obama's doing and he's pulling all the strings and controlling every employee to do something bad. Yes, he must have made the employees at IRS target conservative groups. No way they did that on their own. They must be connected to Obama some how.

For your info, IT'S ALWAYS been illegal to disclose classified info. And it's a GOOD thing they're cracking down on it to protect out national security interests, sources, and methods. Do you not remember the media potentially compromising a source in the Middle East this foiled a bomb plot? That has serious implications and hurts our partnerships with foreign partners since it undermines our credibility that we can't protect information.

Do you not see your flawed line of thinking? Or do you let the media think for you?

Frankly, to me, it doesn't matter who is in office, whether it be Bush, Obama, etc this line of thinking is ridiculous. Of course the president is easy prey.

Here's an analogy. Would you blame the head of BMW GMBH in Germany for something a technician or service manager did at some dealership here in the US? Or would you go after the dealership responsible?




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You have to be very very naive to think they are not also protecting their own asses with the information they are monitoring from the media, and for that I simply feel sorry for you and your lack of understanding how this adminstration, and OMG other adminstrations do things behind the scenes to avoid the discovery of their corruptions.
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What is wrong with the Obama administration legally attempting to locate the source of a leak?

Please enlighten me.
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You have to be very very naive to think they are not also protecting their own asses with the information they are monitoring from the media, and for that I simply feel sorry for you and your lack of understanding how this adminstration, and OMG other adminstrations do things behind the scenes to avoid the discovery of their corruptions.
Deflecting and didn't answer any of my questions.

But anyways:

I feel sorry for you that

a) you buy into media hype
b) you can't think on your own and let the media form your decisions
c) you likely have no experience with the military, DOJ, the IC, or the Federal Govt and yet make sweeping statements and assumptions.
d) you can't distinguish between organizations, how they operate, and yet cast a wide net accusing them all with the term, "obama administration"
e) you assume because you read some article about X organization doing Y, it must be all bad.

I don't condone bad behavior by any administration or government organization, this administration included, but since I've been in this business for over eight years...the one thing I've learned is there are a lot of peanut gallery commentators and arm chair quarterbacks. Naive? Most certainly not. It vexes me that the very people that provide security for this country - both foreign and domestic -the hard working civil servants/rank and file employees, get crapped on by such people as yourself since we all get roped in by sweeping statements and comments and think we're all part of the greater conspiracy and corruption of X administration.

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I see your game but I stopped playing it along time ago in this fourm, you want to draw someone into a war of litigation on details on a particular subject and get lost and move away from the original topic at hand... Sorry I won't play anymore. We'll never know the details, what we will only know is what surfaces on the media thats all we have, and at that point, depending on our political leanings, we'll read between the lines and come to our conclusions ( you should know from other postings that I hate the mainstream media, the only reason I provide links from the mainstream is becuase if it's not mainstream the Obama shills here simply resort to ad hominem respones attacking the source rather than the content.) FYI I was in the Marine Corps for 6 years and I now work for a private company that contracts with the federal governmet, TSA, DHS, USAF, USN, and FAA, if you must know I work in Biometrics ( big brother stuff, such as facial recognition technology, RFID, secure credentialing, Livescan etc.) When I say this obama administration I figured you could connect the dots.... it was DOJ who conducted this monitoring on the media, no doubt Eric Holder gave approval on this. Eric Holder's head resides very far up President Obama's back orifce and was appointed by him, hence "Obama administration" YOU REALLY DON'T THINK THERE ARE HOOKUPS INVOLVED?

A) No, but when a CEO of a respected news organization fires back at an Administration that it usually defends to no end.. I'm going to listen.
B) You must not know me, I HATE the media.
C) Answered in my reponse above ^ ^
D) I don't know how much clearer I can make this:
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Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. (born January 21, 1951) is the 82nd Attorney General of the United States, in office since 2009. Holder, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama, is the first African American to hold the position of U.S. Attorney General.[1] During the Fast and Furious investigation, he became the only cabinet member in US history to be held in contempt of Congress.
E) I assume over the years the TRAINWRECK that this adminstration has led this country into that yes, geez dam, they gotta be all bad.
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I see your game but I stopped playing it along time ago in this fourm, you want to draw someone into a war of litigation on details on a particular subject and get lost and move away from the original topic at hand... Sorry I won't play anymore.
So when did details not become important? What's wrong with going over them, analyzing and assessing them? Details are important...without all the facts how can anyone say anything? The devil is in the details. By going over the details one can see how the can either support or refute assumptions. Thus, details are important to any topic being discussed.

To me, certain brash claims by the media and others have a direct affect on me, the people I work with, and the organization I work for as a whole - and it pi$$es me off. It isn't a game, not to me.

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We'll never know the details,
Exactly. Goes back to what I said earlier, without the details we can only make shaky conclusions at best, based off media reports taken at face value. There are two side to every coin.

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FYI I was in the Marine Corps for 6 years and I now work for a private company that contracts with the federal governmet, TSA, DHS, USAF, USN, and FAA, if you must know I work in Biometrics ( big brother stuff, such as facial recognition technology, RFID, secure credentialing, Livescan etc.)
As a fellow Marine, Semper Fi. But I'd expect you to know better, especially when it comes to organizational behavior, and how the government really is. Especially with your stated interactions. Yes, I'm very familiar with Biometrics, having used it in Iraq and the technology/capabilities elsewhere.


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When I say this obama administration I figured you could connect the dots.... it was DOJ who conducted this monitoring on the media, no doubt Eric Holder gave approval on this. Eric Holder's head resides very far up President Obama's back orifce and was appointed by him, hence "Obama administration"
Plausible, but an assumption of what I highlighted in bold. But in terms of the IRS, I cannot, in my mind, rationally make the connection between a few disgruntled employees who go against conservative parties as being connected to the current administration and representative of the pattern of behavior of the IRS as a whole.

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YOU REALLY DON'T THINK THERE ARE HOOKUPS INVOLVED?
of course, how else do you think Holder and others got politically appointed?


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good. we both do.

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E) I assume over the years the TRAINWRECK that this administration has led this country into that yes, geez dam, they gotta be all bad.
I am not affiliated with any political party. That said, for Obama, given the extreme hostility amongst Republicans and Democrats, the climate has sure had its fair share in causing said trainwreck. Bush did what he could, given the circumstances, but there is some truth to cleaning up after the previous administration - depending on how you look at it. There will likely be cleaning up after this administration too.

Finally, I'll say that I'll eat my words here:
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The most honest and transparent administration in "history"

This. Meanwhile, the drones throw their head in the sand.
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This. Meanwhile, the drones throw their head in the sand.
Certainly not! Dropping bombs from above. Do you not understand how drones function?

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Certainly not! Dropping bombs from above. Do you not understand how drones function?

Surprise, surprise another stupid thread. Of course l0e now uses msnbc and cnn when it suits his confirmation bias. Now off to naturalnews or infowars!
Perhaps you should learn the alternative meaning to words before commenting...

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3. A person who does tedious or menial work; a drudge: "undervalued drones who labored in obscurity" (Caroline Bates).
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Perhaps you should learn the alternative meaning to words before commenting...
god, you are dense.

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I am with the ACLU that this is abusing power, at least without some type of explanation.

However, they have subpoenas, that is all the reason they need.

There is no constitutional provision to protect sources. This is why some journalists have gone to jail on contempt charges for failing to reveal their sources.

However, if they can't come up with a damn good, national security reason why they needed these records...truly independent investigation of this needs to happen.
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So when did details not become important? What's wrong with going over them, analyzing and assessing them? Details are important...without all the facts how can anyone say anything? The devil is in the details. By going over the details one can see how the can either support or refute assumptions. Thus, details are important to any topic being discussed.

To me, certain brash claims by the media and others have a direct affect on me, the people I work with, and the organization I work for as a whole - and it pi$$es me off. It isn't a game, not to me.



Exactly. Goes back to what I said earlier, without the details we can only make shaky conclusions at best, based off media reports taken at face value. There are two side to every coin.



As a fellow Marine, Semper Fi. But I'd expect you to know better, especially when it comes to organizational behavior, and how the government really is. Especially with your stated interactions. Yes, I'm very familiar with Biometrics, having used it in Iraq and the technology/capabilities elsewhere.




Plausible, but an assumption of what I highlighted in bold. But in terms of the IRS, I cannot, in my mind, rationally make the connection between a few disgruntled employees who go against conservative parties as being connected to the current administration and representative of the pattern of behavior of the IRS as a whole.



of course, how else do you think Holder and others got politically appointed?




good. we both do.



I am not affiliated with any political party. That said, for Obama, given the extreme hostility amongst Republicans and Democrats, the climate has sure had its fair share in causing said trainwreck. Bush did what he could, given the circumstances, but there is some truth to cleaning up after the previous administration - depending on how you look at it. There will likely be cleaning up after this administration too.

Finally, I'll say that I'll eat my words here:

Well in all fairness my fellow devil dog, I have to admit to some what you say is true, my opinions seem to grow wings and fly all over the place and I guess I connect my own crazy dots. I get pretty passionate what can I say. Politics does that to me.
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