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Old 05-23-2013, 08:51 AM   #21
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Yes cheap political points...investigating corruption in the IRS is now cheap political points.
They take their shots where they can get them.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:51 AM   #22
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So you don't think the IRS should be accountable to the people I take it. So an organization that can throw people in prison, is a separate arm of the legal system which is guilty until proven innocent, an organization that has their own court, should be left unchecked and let run wild....and Im what's wrong with America?
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:54 AM   #23
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Im not looking at regulating amendments. Im looking to regulate politicians.
By not allowing people to exercise their constitutional right (ie, the 5th), you are advocating for regulating a persons right per the constitution.....politician or not.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:02 AM   #24
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So you don't think the IRS should be accountable to the people I take it. So an organization that can throw people in prison, is a separate arm of the legal system which is guilty until proven innocent, an organization that has their own court, should be left unchecked and let run wild....and Im what's wrong with America?
Yes you are what is wrong with America. We can start by the rest of your post. Never once did I say what you claim or even hint at it. However, you let your ignorant imagination run wild. Fvck off my friend.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:07 AM   #25
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By not allowing people to exercise their constitutional right (ie, the 5th), you are advocating for regulating a persons right per the constitution.....politician or not.
She has the right to plead the 5th. Now she will be charged with a crime, and the truth will come out anyway, as I don't see how Washington can sweep this under the rug.
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She has the right to plead the 5th. Now she will be charged with a crime, and the truth will come out anyway, as I don't see how Washington can sweep this under the rug.
I agree, but that is a total tangent to what we were discussing.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:33 AM   #27
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I agree, but that is a total tangent to what we were discussing.
I know. I just think that our discussion was dead end and we won't agree. I think there must be a price to pay for being a politician. Felons pay the price and have rights stripped if convicted. Soldiers pay a price with their lives. Politicians cannot go unchecked. In my personal opinion (nothing more) being a politician (party lines aside) should be for the love of the country, and you must sacrifice, just as military service members do. Having said that, yes, I think politicians should not be afforded the 5th when it comes to their on the job issues (personal things like DUI or whatever they can.) Things like this they should not. The problem with politicians is they have nothing to lose.
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If a politician invokes the 5th Amendment, it's a tacit admission that his or her political career is either 1) over; or 2) in very serious trouble.
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I know. I just think that our discussion was dead end and we won't agree. I think there must be a price to pay for being a politician. Felons pay the price and have rights stripped if convicted. Soldiers pay a price with their lives. Politicians cannot go unchecked. In my personal opinion (nothing more) being a politician (party lines aside) should be for the love of the country, and you must sacrifice, just as military service members do. Having said that, yes, I think politicians should not be afforded the 5th when it comes to their on the job issues (personal things like DUI or whatever they can.) Things like this they should not. The problem with politicians is they have nothing to lose.
They make the sacrifice of living in a fish bowl with 300,000,000 (approximately) of their bosses eyeballing their every move.
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If a politician invokes the 5th Amendment, it's a tacit admission that his or her political career is either 1) over; or 2) in very serious trouble.
I would think that anyone invoking the 5th is probably in some deep shite.
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I thought her little stunt of making a statement about the 5thA being there to protect innocent people then refusing to testify under the 5thA was in poor form. You can't say "I'm innocent!" on the record and then refuse to answer questions that might call that innocence into dispute. She should have just kept her mouth shut.
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They make the sacrifice of living in a fish bowl with 300,000,000 (approximately) of their bosses eyeballing their every move.
Disagree. POTUS, maybe. The rest of them (like these IRS quacks), I'd bet 99% of the general public has no clue who they are, nor do they actually answer to the people (in a direct sense.)
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Disagree. POTUS, maybe. The rest of them (like these IRS quacks), I'd bet 99% of the general public has no clue who they are, nor do they actually answer to the people (in a direct sense.)
This is probably true. Only a relative handful of government employees live in a fishbowl. It's only when SHTF that people like this get pulled into the limelight.
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Because she can and her constitutional right.
Actully she can't. If you invoke the 5th you don't testify, period. You don't give your side then decide you aren't talking when it comes to questioning your testimony. She's effectively waived it.

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Maybe AOG can clarify....not really sure how this works...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ed-to-testify/
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Whoops, didn't see your above post AOG...seems your post is in agreement with the above link.
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Re: Top IRS official pleads the 5th rather than answer questions.

The 5th is there to protect the citizen from the government. By this chick pleading the 5th, the government is protected from the government.


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The article does mention that there's some potential discrepancy between invoking the 5thA in federal court and in a Congressional hearing. So maybe she's got some weasel room there.
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The 5th is there to protect the citizen from the government. By this chick pleading the 5th, the government is protected from the government.


Seems legit.

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So, a person employed by the government is no longer a citizen?


I'm not disagreeing with "how" she invoked the 5th. Like AoG said, she basically said that she was innocent, gave a short narrative and then said "....but I plead the 5th". That's not what the 5th is all about, lol.

What I am disagreeing with is a few of you saying the 5th shouldn't be allowed to those who might work for the government.
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So, a person employed by the government is no longer a citizen?


I'm not disagreeing with "how" she invoked the 5th. Like AoG said, she basically said that she was innocent, gave a short narrative and then said "....but I plead the 5th". That's not what the 5th is all about, lol.

What I am disagreeing with is a few of you saying the 5th shouldn't be allowed to those who might work for the government.
Just to clarify, what I meant was that branches of government are run by people. Those people have superiors. You have a boss. Eric holder has a "boss." If your boss asked you if you stole from the register, you have a right not to answer him....but...he has the right to fire you and take your silence and guilt and file charges. It will be your problem after that. She was asked by her "boss" specific questions....the answers might not even incriminate her (but someone else) and she refused to answer them. That to me is not what the 5th is about.


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