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Old 06-04-2013, 06:27 PM   #21
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It should be addressed that a Glock is a bit different when shooting than most pistols. Glock is the best handgun company as far as reliability. However, you need to shoot a few, as well as any others considered before you make a decision. I shot a Glock 23 when I was making my decision, and I just preferred the XD. HK, Glock, Springfield, S&W, Sig, Kimber, and a couple others are quality brands. Shoot some of all, and figure out what you like the most, and go from there. I didn't like how Glock is set up at the moment, but I'm sure ill own some in the future. Also, from what I've read, .45 is actually more smooth as far as recoil compared to .40s&w, so a 1911 may be a decent choice if you shoot and like it.

TL;DR: shoot a lot of guns and choose based on how you like it, just stay in the brands that are known to be reputable and reliable.

If you shoot one like mine, shoot it with the extension mag, which is what's pictured on mine. Much more comfortable to shoot IMO.

edit: on the .45 comment, I meant I've read that .45 has less upward recoil than .40s&w, and more of a stable recoil that can be easier to control. Others may have more on this subject.
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I am in the market for a new handgun. It's been a while since I've picked one up so I am looking for some advice. The intended use of the gun is for home defense. At the top of my list of requirements is that it be easy to use, reliable and accurate. With regards to price, something like an HK would be out of my reach. That said, I am not looking to take shortcuts on quality to appease my price requirements.

I think a .45 would be too powerful. I don't want to risk punching a hole through my wall and hitting an unintended target in the event I would need to protect my home.

However, I am concerned that a 9x19 would lack enough power to immediately put someone down in the event I don't get a clean shot.

I would also like the flexibility to be able to attach a tactical light.

I've read good things about Glock and Sig Sauer, but don't know which models to focus on. Or if I should be focusing on other brands like Ruger or S&W. Any guidance would be lovely or pointing me to a good source would be just as great.


I tried convincing the misses of picking an AR-15 in addition, but she wasn't amused. I wore her down on the gun, so only a matter of time for the AR-15.
HK, Glock, Sig, S&W, and the like at decent quality. As has been said, shot a bunch of things until you figure out what you like to shoot. My personal recommendation would be for a S&W M&P9, Glock 17, Springfield XD9, Sig P226, or similar setup.

The caliber of pistol makes little difference nowadays. 9mm, .357sig, .40S&W and .45ACP all perform very similar to each other. Any of those rounds, if impacted into a residential interior wall, would likely penetrate the whole wall. Modern duty/defense grade pistol bullets are tested to perform after being shot through drywall and plywood, so consider that anything you use will likely penetrate through walls if it misses the mark.

The caliber that is the best to pick is the one you enjoy shooting the most, so long as it is at least the 9mm (.380 is not powerful enough).
For home defense, select a pistol load that uses a quality bonded bullet with a low flash powder (common with duty grade loads).


Bonded:
Federal HST
Federal Tactical Bonded
Speer Gold Dot
Remington Bonded Golden Saber
Winchester PDX1 Bonded/Ranger Bonded (same as PDX-1 but with low-flash powder)
Hornady Critical Duty
Barnes XPB/Tac-XP copper-solid JHP bullet in any load (made by CorBon, Black Hills, etc)


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Remington Golden Saber
Winchester Ranger T-Series
Winchester Ranger JHP
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I got a nice cheap S&W SD9 for the same purpose, home defense. All in all for the price it's a great gun. In your case look at the SD40 model if you're worried about the stopping power even though the SD9 is good enough with the right ammo. Great price,very reliable I haven't had a jam yet after 500 rounds, and it will shoot any ammo no problem. If you'd like a nice carry and home gun then I'd go with a S&W m&p40 compact but that's just my two cents.
S&W M&P is a good pistol. I have an M&P9 that I really like.
The S&W SD series is still a cheap copy of the Glock, but they changed enough components to stop paying the royalties to Glock like they had to with the Sigma series. Given the propensity for Sigmas to have issues and poor overall durability, I don't have a lot of faith in the SD to perform to the level of the M&P.

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Yea, TLR-3. Fits perfectly, but I'm not running into warehouses SWAT style either. I did some research, and people seemed to like Streamlight.
Streamlight is a good company. For a small compact pistol like the XDC, the TLR-3 is a great light. For a normal sized gun, I would highly recommend the Streamlight TLR-1.

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double barrel, just like uncle joe suggested eh?
...and then piss yourself in case they want to rape you. You know, because that stops them.

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I like the idea of spread from a 410 and the reliability of a revolver in a "O shit, someones in my house" scenario. Ive honestly never shot one or seen what they do on paper so other guys might be better to talk to about it.
As NOVA pointed out, it's a snake pistol or else a novelty.
Here's the thing I tell people- Go to a gun shop and ask a guy looking at buying a shotgun for HD if he'd like a .410. He'll say "Hell NO! I want a 12ga". They'll say there's no way they'd use a .410 shotgun for HD. All of a sudden now that the .410 pistols have come about, these same guys are all about promoting the .410 for CCW or HD when it comes out of a pistol? How does that work?!?
When you consider that the terminal ballistics of shotgun slugs are equal to those of pistol bullets, there isn't a huge reason to go with slugs. Pellet shot is a different issue, but with a .410, you are heavily limited to pellet size. Most bird shot is only lethal to humans inside of 15ft, and even then it's not a guarantee.
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Glock 19 or 17 9mm. Semi auto

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My HD weapon. Seems to fit your criteria perfectly. Paid $399, it's made from a VERY reputable company, bigger than 9 but smaller than .45.


Springfield XD40 sub-compact.


lol, if your gun jams, you can throw that big honkin ring as a last resort!

+1 on the Springfield XD40 Sub Compact. Thats the one I have. I just never got use to, or liked Glock, but thats just me. Theres many ppl that feel the same way about the XD/XDM as well.

Like many have said, try a few different ones out. A good quality gun shop will have loaners for serious buyers or rentals. Also a quality gun store will listen to you and what you desire and dont desire and make some recomendations for you.
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If you go to a store, expect most to tell you to get a Glock or S&W M&P. That's just a universal response these days, and it's certainly warranted since they're good guns. However, be wary of any gun counter guy that tells you that HAVE to have _____ gun. I've been to gun shops where they were pushing an agenda like no tomorrow, and it turned me off. One shop seriously would not let me look at anything other than CZ. It was CZ rifles, CZ pistols, etc. It got annoying. Nothing was as good as CZ to that guy. I wound up telling the guy to fuck off and left.
CZs are not bad guns, but they're not for everyone. Just be aware that there are gun shops that have idiots working there, and there are gun shops with agendas.
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Glock 19 or 17 you could load a nice halo point if needed.
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Go to a range and rent some. See what you are most comfortable shooting.
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Sig Sauer p229 .40 caliber (regular model)
Viridian Green Laser C5L laser/light combo

I'll say this...regardless of the gun, you should check out a laser light combo. I love mine. It is unbelievable. The laser in daylight can be seen 50 yards away. At night it goes beyond what I can see...I'm tempted to say it crosses the horizon. The question is whether the laser is zeroed in on the gun or not. JMO.

Regarding what gun to buy??? Go to the range. Seriously. I LOVE my Sig...but one of my friends swear by his Beretta 92FS and another to his Springfield XD Subcompact (which was all over the place for me). My wife liked the M&P9 Compact. Stick with a well known brand and you should be fine.
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I considered it, but would prefer the maneuverability of a pistol and the ability to free up one hand without compromising my ability to aim.
It will. One handed shooting isn't a walk in the park.


Main thing is to have a plan and buy a gun to suit it if you are serious.

The plan is based on your comfort level, layout of your house, and budget.

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Dont be a hero and get somewhere with one entry point..

Ideally you would have a long gun at that point(closet or what have you away from where the bad guy would come from).

I keep my handgun bedside with the intent of grabbing it, point it at the top of the stairs until my significant other is in the closet then join her. Once inside I will grab my shotgun and stay put. I charge my phone in the closet fwiw and would call the police from inside.

Its a walk in closet that is through a narrow hallway away from the stairs up to my room.


So where would you go?
Would other members in the house be in the line of fire?
Spend $500+ on protection spend 10 minutes and get a plan in place.

Next and most important step is to get very comfortable and capable with your firearm.

I shoot uspsa to keep fresh and take training classes regularly.

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Glock 19 or 17 you could load a nice halo point if needed.
In this day and age, every bullet in a defense or duty pistol should be a JHP round. There is no excuse for using junky FMJ bullets. Even if you live in a state that bans JHPs, you can still get Federal EFMJs. All are better than FMJ.


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I'll say this...regardless of the gun, you should check out a laser light combo. I love mine. It is unbelievable. The laser in daylight can be seen 50 yards away. At night it goes beyond what I can see...I'm tempted to say it crosses the horizon. The question is whether the laser is zeroed in on the gun or not. JMO.
People with very little experience with pistol shooting should not be using lasers. They promote poor marksmanship when you don't have a solid base of the fundamentals down. Most also have a pretty wicked offset too, because many of them are rail-mounted. Lasers are more ideal for compact pistols with crappy sights, like a S&W K-frame or Ruger LCP.

But on that note, have you had any issues with your Veridian yet/at all?
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People with very little experience with pistol shooting should not be using lasers. They promote poor marksmanship when you don't have a solid base of the fundamentals down. Most also have a pretty wicked offset too, because many of them are rail-mounted. Lasers are more ideal for compact pistols with crappy sights, like a S&W K-frame or Ruger LCP.

But on that note, have you had any issues with your Veridian yet/at all?
Yes...lasers can have a "pretty wicked offset". The Viridian has 3 adjustments (x, y & z axis) for this reason. I've shot about 300 rounds with the laser attached and I do not believe that the "adjustment" has moved at all. Problems?
It's so awesome I want to use it for a household flashlight???
Quality (as far as I can tell) is excellent.
Uses a CR2 battery (so almost the entire case is the damn battery. You have to be careful when screwing the lid on because the case threads are plastic (even though the case itself is metal and the battery lid is metal). That is the only major complaint. However, I haven't had to touch the battery beyond initial installation. Everyone at the range always gawks over it. I think the only time I wouldn't want one on a pistol is when I am competition shooting (which I don't) or when carrying a pocket pistol). Obviously the p229 is not a pocketable pistol so it's a moot argument for me currently.

Also, the light is extremely bright for being so small. Now, it's not going to light up a field or anything but then again this is a pistol light, not a rifle. If you are in the house, I assure you, it will light up an entire 2 story great room.

To a small degree I almost wish there was a brightness adjustment since it's so bright.

I just love the little thing. Especially with the strobe options (still can't figure out why I would want a strobe laser though).

Looking at getting this holster since they can form it for the Viridian:

http://www.ravenconcealment.com/phan...ster-sig-sauer

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^ ok, I will bite. What is a z axis on a laser that goes hundreds of feet?
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^ ok, I will bite. What is a z axis on a laser that goes hundreds of feet?
1mm I think I meant just x and y. Sorry about that hehe

As stated previously, the laser (as far as I have seen) goes beyond any measurable point for me (we used a telescope and the laser could be seen hitting a water tower a few miles away at night [low humidity and no clouds]). The question is how well aimed in the laser is to your gun. Plus, can you aim?

The laser, I will admit, will only be as good as the user and calibration.
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I just love the little thing. Especially with the strobe options (still can't figure out why I would want a strobe laser though).
the strobe feature is for:
A. disorienting your target/disrupting their vision
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I get the strobe for the light...I don't get the strobe for the laser. How does a strobing laser affect the person it is being pointed at?
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The strobing of the laser is Viridian trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Viridian's factory is located 20 minutes from my house. While they have a solid commercial base, they have been working to break into the tactical and LE realm and are coming up with various ways to make in-roads. They're trying to find ways to get involved in the tactical market with some legitimacy, which just isn't going to happen with what they're making now. I know some of the stuff they've been trying to get us into, and they really fall flat on what they are offering.

Here's the issue with offset with lasers- do you zero them? Of so, to what range? Now, do you know where your bullet will strike outside of that initial intersect?
The issue with offset lasers that zero is that they turn a pistol, which is an absolute trajectory weapon, into a corrected trajectory weapon. The bullet will only be at the dot at two ranges, and one of them is far downrange. So, you have 1 usable zero. As a result, you need to know what your offset is and what your rise is to the maximum ordinate. Might not be a big deal for a chest shot at 5yds, but a head shot at close range may not go well if the laser dot isn't low enough.
This is why lasers on pistols should only be used for close range reactionary shooting, like when shooting from defensive retention. It's an "exigent circumstance" option for when you can't get to the sights. When you CAN access the sights, you should be using them. People make the mistake of relying on the laser for more than they should, which is why the poor marksmanship and gunfighting fundamentals are common with lasers. It's more of a training issue for learning when and how it is appropriate to use the laser.
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My understanding of the strobe laser was just to save battery life.

My laser is zero'd from my front door to my back hall/master bedroom (around 40ft) and it works great for me at the range at any normal distance.

An inch high or low is fine with me if I am shooting under stress with both eyes open to my surroundings.

My other though is to zero a laser at directly parallel to the barrel so that it is always an inch lower (or whatever) than the bullet at any distance.

I practice by aiming at the floor then raising and firing as soon as my laser is in the mid section of my target. It works for me.

Of course, you should not have to depend on a laser to shoot well, but there is no doubt that I shoot much better with one if I am shooting fast under stress.

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