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Old 06-21-2013, 01:38 PM   #1
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Aaron Hernandez. Guilty or not?

I think he's guilty. Why would you destroy your surveillance/ security system and phone? This guy is dumb.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19453898

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Full account of the evidence against Hernandez. (self.nfl)

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I'm trying this again, because when I posted this as a comment in the official thread many people suggested I try posting it again. Hopefully the mods will leave it up. one thread per day on the subject doesn't seem like overkill to me.

All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.

The charges:

Murder
Carrying a firearm without a license
Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:

Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment

EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.

EDIT4: Bail appeal hearing going on right now. Live video on NFL Network and ESPN

EDIT 5: apparently yesterday a warrant was issued for a condo in Hernandez's name. 3 boxes of .45 caliber ammo. Hummer registered to Hernandez outside the condo contained a magazine for a .45 handgun. Both the gun in the video seen in Hernandez's hand and the murder weapon were Glocks.

Prosecutor: doesn't want to disclose motive that hasn't already been made public, but there is more than he is saying now. Repeats motive from yesterdays arraignment. victim and defendant had an argument last friday.

again references conversation in the car with the victim on the night of the murder. Hernandez indicates he is angry with the victim for talking to people Hernandez doesn't like at the club. Doesn't think he can trust him. "Hernandez had the motive and he was the one in control"
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:42 PM   #2
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If he's not guilty he's taking lessons from OJ on how to seem guilty.
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They both have white suv, too. That overhead helicopter shot following him reminded me of the oj chase.
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But OJ WAS guilty haha.
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Don't know enough facts to form an opinion, but destroying all your stuff reeks of guilt
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i don't think he killed him, although i think he probably had something to do with it. i realize he's just a dumb athlete, but even the dumbest sack of bricks is smart enough to know that you don't dump your murder victims just a mile from your crib, in plain sight, and in a car that's rented out under your name. i think i have to give him more credit than that.
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i don't think he killed him, although i think he probably had something to do with it. i realize he's just a dumb athlete, but even the dumbest sack of bricks is smart enough to know that you don't dump your murder victims just a mile from your crib, in plain sight, and in a car that's rented out under your name. i think i have to give him more credit than that.
agreed. I don't know if he killed the dude but he knows something about it.
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He's for sure an accessory.

On a bright note, no gronk or hernandez means more tebow time?
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i don't think he killed him, although i think he probably had something to do with it. i realize he's just a dumb athlete, but even the dumbest sack of bricks is smart enough to know that you don't dump your murder victims just a mile from your crib, in plain sight, and in a car that's rented out under your name. i think i have to give him more credit than that.
This. Don't think he did it, but I do think he knows exactly who did or may have even been there. The way I see it, police are building as big of a case as they can against the person with the most to lose, Hernandez, in hopes that he starts talking.
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He still has a current law suit for shooting a guy in the eye as well. Wtf. Idiot. Just play football & count your $$
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I am not surprised if he did it, they are athletes not rocket scientist, sometimes all that fame and money goes to their heads. There are other stories that he shot someone in the club if that is true and he got away with it. Then he will have no problem doing it again.
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hernandez?

yeah i'm gonna say guilty.
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I think he's guilty. Why would you destroy your surveillance/ security system and phone? This guy is dumb.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19453898
From what I gather, still not enough to pin it on him 100%. It smells awfully bad, but he might be trying to protect someone else that did it. Overall, not a good day for him and he has a LONG LONG road ahead. Let the system do its thing.
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Re: Aaron Hernandez. Guilty or not?

Charged with obstruction. They plan to arrest him.


What about the cleaning crew stuff?
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Charged with obstruction. They plan to arrest him.


What about the cleaning crew stuff?
Looks mega suspicious, but not enough for a murder conviction (IMHO of course.)
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Aaron Hernandez. Guilty or not?

Shot his friend in the face back in Feb. Now involved in a murder where the guy was shot in the head. Just seems like he has no regard for human life and is a sociopath...


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Can't bring that up at trial. Past actions are not allowed to be brought into evidence by the state. Just because you raped someone then, doesn't mean that you did it this time. However, This is part of the reason why the judge didn't allow the Zimmerman defense team to bring up Martin's drug stuff, suspension, etc....unless someone else brings it up. Evidence laws are crazy.
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