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Old 06-23-2013, 07:43 PM   #1
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ok guys, serious question

my fiancÚ has decided she would like to try to get her pistol permit in dutchess county NY. she works in a rough part of a nearby town really early in the morning so she wants some form of protection, also she wants to start shooting recreationally with me. she is concerned however that some of her medical history might affect her getting the permit. she was treated for depression shortly after her father was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago and continued treatment after both of her parents died of cancer a little over a year ago. she has stopped therapy but is still on some anti-depressants. she was at no time involuntarily committed or anything of that nature, no criminal history either.

I was thinking if there was anything she could do about this? maybe writing a letter to send into the sheriff's office explaining her situation, or getting her old therapist to sign off on something saying she's competent enough to own/handle firearms? i already plan on enrolling her in a firearms safety course put on by the NRA so that should help a bit. we've thought about using an attorney but would rather that be a last resort.

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Old 06-23-2013, 08:26 PM   #2
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Forget gun safety classes or NRA certifications...

If you aren't a celebrity or politically connected, she ain't got a shot

Consider moving out of NY
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Yeah, I heard it was nearly impossible to secure an CCW permit in the state on NY
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If you aren't a celebrity or politically connected, she ain't got a shot

Consider moving out of NY
oh I have considered it, believe me. and people w/ "mental illnesses" are still receiving permits on a case by case basis, so I know she isn't totally screwed. the judges and sheriff in my county are pro-2A and anti safe act so that may help.

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Yeah, I heard it was nearly impossible to secure an CCW permit in the state on NY
in general? because at least in my county (less than 2 hrs from nyc) they pretty much only give out full carry permits. the waiting period is just brutally long.
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My understanding is that they needed to have a letter from a doctor stating that it was no longer an issue.
That said, getting approval for the permit should consist of meeting state requirements. She should not HAVE to do anything more. Having said that, it never hurts to get her trained better than what the state would require, because most states have pretty horseshit minimum requirements for carry permits in relation to the marksmanship portion of the qualification/training. I know I'm preaching to the choir to you about this, but her getting better training is more for her benefit than anything else.
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:58 AM   #6
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yea, I plan on a firearms safety course for starters, and will see if she can get a full carry that way, if she does get the permit and it happens to be restricted I plan on taking her to the sig school and doing a course or two(which I plan on doing anyway) and petitioning for full.
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Forget gun safety classes or NRA certifications...

If you aren't a celebrity or politically connected, she ain't got a shot

Consider moving out of NY
I have a NYS business carry permit. NYC you can't get shit, other parts of the state it's a process but doable. Getting a carry permit downstate is like catching a unicorn. I'm blessed.


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Good luck bro. Around here there pulling permits left Nd right for depression and people on prescription meds. Pm me of you need any help.


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I just got off the phone with the local SO permit dept. they said everything is on a case by case basis. they also said that any letters from medical professionals will be taken into consideration when determining permit status. I also asked her about any possible issues with her getting a permit regarding the safe act and she said not really, the SO runs their background check and unless a person is deemed to be a threat to themselves or others or incompetent or is a felon of some sorts that she should be good to go.

so it sounds promising that the county is still allowing (to a degree) mentally ill people to exercise their rights. so I guess we wont know until we try.
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In Florida it is about being institutionalized or addicted.

Although if she did ever get into a shooting, it probably would not help her case to have a depression history.

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probably not. but I would rather have to fight a court battle than coordinate a funeral

and I actually just took my Utah/florida course for my non-resident permit, I hope to apply in the next week or so. florida easy to get a permit in?
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probably not. but I would rather have to fight a court battle than coordinate a funeral

and I actually just took my Utah/florida course for my non-resident permit, I hope to apply in the next week or so. florida easy to get a permit in?
As a resident, yes. I don't know as a non-resident.
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Re: NY pistol permit advice

Florida non resident is a piece of cake. You request a fingerprint card online or get them electronically processed and sunmit a photo copy of an NRA safety course certificate (which never expires), a recent passport photo, and around $170.

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ok guys, serious question

my fiancÚ has decided she would like to try to get her pistol permit in dutchess county NY. she works in a rough part of a nearby town really early in the morning so she wants some form of protection, also she wants to start shooting recreationally with me. she is concerned however that some of her medical history might affect her getting the permit. she was treated for depression shortly after her father was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago and continued treatment after both of her parents died of cancer a little over a year ago. she has stopped therapy but is still on some anti-depressants. she was at no time involuntarily committed or anything of that nature, no criminal history either.

I was thinking if there was anything she could do about this? maybe writing a letter to send into the sheriff's office explaining her situation, or getting her old therapist to sign off on something saying she's competent enough to own/handle firearms? i already plan on enrolling her in a firearms safety course put on by the NRA so that should help a bit. we've thought about using an attorney but would rather that be a last resort.

any constructive input is appreciated, thanks.
Sorry my brother...as much as I want to be wrong, there is no chance your fiance is getting a carry permit in the people's republik of Lord Cuomo. You also stated your fiance is still taking anti-depressants....not only will this completely stop her from getting a CCW, it *might* stop her from gun ownership period. One of the questions on the application is if you are taking any mind altering medication. If your local PD detective (whoever does the gun permit stuff) is not a fan of guns in the hands of citizens, she has no shot.
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My understanding is that they needed to have a letter from a doctor stating that it was no longer an issue.
That said, getting approval for the permit should consist of meeting state requirements. She should not HAVE to do anything more. Having said that, it never hurts to get her trained better than what the state would require, because most states have pretty horseshit minimum requirements for carry permits in relation to the marksmanship portion of the qualification/training. I know I'm preaching to the choir to you about this, but her getting better training is more for her benefit than anything else.
NY carry permits are 99% discretion.
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I assume you have a full carry permit and not "at business location permit" correct? If so, I assume you got it because you regularly carry large amounts of cash right?
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probably not. but I would rather have to fight a court battle than coordinate a funeral

and I actually just took my Utah/florida course for my non-resident permit, I hope to apply in the next week or so. florida easy to get a permit in?
Yes it is. You just need to meet the criteria. Both FL and UT are easy to get. If you did it with someone like Gunforhire, they do the entire process for you start to finish.
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Sorry my brother...as much as I want to be wrong, there is no chance your fiance is getting a carry permit in the people's republik of Lord Cuomo. You also stated your fiance is still taking anti-depressants....not only will this completely stop her from getting a CCW, it *might* stop her from gun ownership period. One of the questions on the application is if you are taking any mind altering medication. If your local PD detective (whoever does the gun permit stuff) is not a fan of guns in the hands of citizens, she has no shot.
yea, shes going to try anyway, like I said before, our sheriff and judges in my county are pro 2a and anti-safe act so we might have a shot. the individual I spoke to at in the permit dept. said that just because someone is on an anti-depressant it doesn't mean that they cant get a permit, everything is done on a case by case basis, they will do her background check and see whats up. she has a clean record otherwise so we'll see.
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yea, shes going to try anyway, like I said before, our sheriff and judges in my county are pro 2a and anti-safe act so we might have a shot. the individual I spoke to at in the permit dept. said that just because someone is on an anti-depressant it doesn't mean that they cant get a permit, everything is done on a case by case basis, they will do her background check and see whats up. she has a clean record otherwise so we'll see.
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I'm (originally)from Dutchess County and I have the pistol permit application sitting right at my desk. I never got around to it because it was unduly burdensome, requiring 3 recommendations from people within the county all made within 30-60 days of each other. Being that I live downstate (even though I technically own a home in Dutchess) it just would have been too much of a PITA and I'd have to drive through the Bronx and Queens to get home...which means I'd have to jump through 100 more hoops in case I got pulled over.

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edit: Hopefully once the SCOTUS says that gays married in NY are married in every other state they will be forced to say the same thing about gun licenses.
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