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Talk about driveline improvements, NA tuning and DME tuning your E46 BMW here. This includes diffs, intakes, exhausts, chips, software and OBD tuning.

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Old 06-29-2013, 08:34 PM   #21
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:04 PM   #22
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Will he be driving around for the computer to "learn" the tune first? Then have it switched back to factory and drive it around to get back to a baseline and then install the epic tune and drive on it for the computer to learn? Without doing that there will be no real data. The data will be off.


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Old 06-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #23
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Will he be driving around for the computer to "learn" the tune first? Then have it switched back to factory and drive it around to get back to a baseline and then install the epic tune and drive on it for the computer to learn? Without doing that there will be no real data. The data will be off.


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I would plan on flashing the shark on a few days prior to the test. Then test with it and then flash on the epic.


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Old 06-29-2013, 11:07 PM   #24
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I would plan on flashing the shark on a few days prior to the test. Then test with it and then flash on the epic tune during the dyno. I will clear adaptations in between. There's no way i can afford multiple dyno visits.


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Old 06-29-2013, 11:17 PM   #25
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There was a thread not too long ago with someone doing a similar test, but with just epic tune and stock. He went to the dyno on the epic tune then switched to stock while he was there and hardly anything changed because the car still technically had part of the epic tune on it due to the adaptations in the computer. I don't think you will be able to erase it completely without doing 2 different dyno sessions. I'm not real sure but you may be able to pull the battery cables off to clear out the computer in between tunes but then the epic tune will have the advantage due to the computer adapting to it. You put a new tune on a cleared computer you may not see the whole gains available. Just some food for thought. I'd be interested in donating but for real numbers I think 2 dyno sessions is what would be needed.


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Will he be driving around for the computer to "learn" the tune first? Then have it switched back to factory and drive it around to get back to a baseline and then install the epic tune and drive on it for the computer to learn? Without doing that there will be no real data. The data will be off.
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There was a thread not too long ago with someone doing a similar test, but with just epic tune and stock. He went to the dyno on the epic tune then switched to stock while he was there and hardly anything changed because the car still technically had part of the epic tune on it due to the adaptations in the computer. I don't think you will be able to erase it completely without doing 2 different dyno sessions. I'm not real sure but you may be able to pull the battery cables off to clear out the computer in between tunes but then the epic tune will have the advantage due to the computer adapting to it. You put a new tune on a cleared computer you may not see the whole gains available. Just some food for thought. I'd be interested in donating but for real numbers I think 2 dyno sessions is what would be needed.
What actual Dyno experience do you base these statements on ?

Or is this just Supposition based on some reading you've done here & there.
We'd all like you to post up any & all dyno's you've personally done that shows this tune/adaptations data.

I know I've dynoed with & without my Shark Injector many times, I've never cleared my adaptations and always see a gain or loss of 6 WHP. But based on your supposition, I would still see some or all of that 6 WHP just after I've pulled the Shark off; but yet never have.

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:24 PM   #28
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There was a thread not too long ago with someone doing a similar test, but with just epic tune and stock. He went to the dyno on the epic tune then switched to stock while he was there and hardly anything changed because the car still technically had part of the epic tune on it due to the adaptations in the computer. I don't think you will be able to erase it completely without doing 2 different dyno sessions. I'm not real sure but you may be able to pull the battery cables off to clear out the computer in between tunes but then the epic tune will have the advantage due to the computer adapting to it. You put a new tune on a cleared computer you may not see the whole gains available. Just some food for thought. I'd be interested in donating but for real numbers I think 2 dyno sessions is what would be needed.


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That thread was mine... The shark will have a week at least to adapt before the dyno. The epic will have a previous dyno to compare to, we should have similar numbers after it is flashed on.


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Old 06-30-2013, 07:34 PM   #29
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:51 PM   #30
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What actual Dyno experience do you base these statements on ?

Or is this just Supposition based on some reading you've done here & there.
We'd all like you to post up any & all dyno's you've personally done that shows this tune/adaptations data.

I know I've dynoed with & without my Shark Injector many times, I've never cleared my adaptations and always see a gain or loss of 6 WHP. But based on your supposition, I would still see some or all of that 6 WHP just after I've pulled the Shark off; but yet never have.

This is what "Iceman00" says about adaptations, I believe Iceman00 to be the E46Fanatics resident Dyno Expert:
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TnT817, you should sign up, it's worth your $6 bucks to find out.
I have never had a dyno done to my e46 but I had a turbo e36 that was dynoed multiple times. The adaptations was impossible to check on that car because the tune had to be there or the car ran like dog shit obviously. I was just stating the adaptation stuff because I read through the other thread about the epic tune and stock and it looked like that the tune still somewhat stayed on the car after it was switched to stock. That is why I asked about it. Not trying to be a know it all and if I am wrong that is perfectly fine. Just didnt want to donate money to a lost cause basically since the numbers wouldn't be real data. If you guys don't think the adaptations are going to change numbers between tunes I'm down for the 6 bucks.


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Old 05-19-2014, 01:17 PM   #32
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Nothing.


Jared needed to take care of more important things,........Family.

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It's looking like that's still the best bang for your buck option (even though it's a very small bang).
Feeling a little miffed about the whole Shark Edit thing and MAP reflashes via USB never happening.
Is the USB feature useful for anything ATM?

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Thanks for the thought , but I'd say this one is dead.

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guy ran a scam. People sent him money, then when it came to last $6 he just claimed he has family emergency. Who ever sent money to that scammer is a fool.
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What the Hell are you talking about ?

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I believe I read somewhere (maybe here or bimmer forum) the Shark Injector just removes the lag in throttle input and bumps the RPM range to 7k. There is no horsepower gain.
However I also read the change in throttle response is a positive improvement. I have one sitting on my parts shelf at home with an intake, an under drive pulley and a throttle body spacer I just have to find time to install. I'll write something up on it when I get around to putting it on. Maybe next oil change.
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No one ever sent any money,.....I really hope you're joking around.




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You are totally full of shat. I'm number 7 on the list, no one sent any money in.

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