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Old 06-27-2013, 11:35 AM   #1
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Really? Don't they have something else better to do?

In my opinion, this is what gives the GOP a bad name - that is continuing to attempt to alienate certain groups of the US population. That, and it seems these GOP members don't realize the world is changing around them.

Can't they focus and channel their energy on more important issues? The economy? Deficit perhaps?

Thankfully it appears this is a small minority within the GOP as the rest of them want nothing to do with these conservative members.

I say, enough with the Tea Party backed lawmakers, and enough with those lawmakers imposing religious ideals against a US population that want nothing to do with it and/or think differently. Nothing wrong with religion and the freedom to believe what you wish, but when it starts infringing upon others freedoms and right to choose, there should be a line drawn.

If the GOP wants to get serious and improve their image from the loss they took in the 2012 elections, they're going to have to cut this nonsense out.

Lastly, even if an amendment is proposed, I doubt it will go anywhere. Perhaps this is just a tactic for said lawmakers mentioned in the article to appease their constituents so they can appear like they're doing something so they can stay in office - just speculating.

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A group of conservative House Republicans blasted the decisions on same-sex marriage issued Wednesday by the Supreme Court as legally inconsistent and detrimental to the future of the nation's children. One lawmaker pledged to soon file a constitutional amendment to reinstate the Defense of Marriage Act.

"A narrow radical majority of the court has substituted their personal views for the constitutional decisions of the American voters and their elected representatives," said Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.). "My response will be later this week to file a federal marriage amendment."

Asked if he would have the leadership's support, Huelskamp pointed to a statement from House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) expressing disappointment in the decisions. Boehner's comments were less forceful than those from more conservative House Republicans, though.

Huelskamp and other tea party-backed lawmakers spoke at a monthly meeting with reporters they call "Conversations With Conservatives," which allows the reporters to quiz some of the most ardent conservatives on issues facing Congress.

In opening remarks, Huelskamp said he was primarily concerned about how the rulings could affect American children. Decades of social-science research have "shown that every child deserves a mom and dad," he said, adding later, "I think children will be hurt."

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), an outspoken tea party member, echoed Huelskamp.

"Marriage was created by the hand of God. No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted," Bachmann said. "What the court has done will undermine the best interest of children and the best interests of the United States."

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Unfortunate. If you could separate the religious right from the rest of us, you'd have a functional party.
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Michelle Bachmann makes a stupid statement?

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"Marriage was created by the hand of God. No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted," Bachmann said.
With that rationale I cannot imagine why Bachmann and other Republicans are so opposed to Sharia law.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:43 PM   #6
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With that rationale I cannot imagine why Bachmann and other Republicans are so opposed to Sharia law.
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Funny how Republicans want smaller government, freedom, and don't want the government to tell them what to do. Then they go around and want to restrict a person's right to choose in their private life. Hypocrites.

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This comes as no surprise. The pro-DOMA/Religious Right/Tea Party conservatives, pick your favorite label, are gutted. The best thing they can say to their supporters is "Well, at least they didn't repeal every DOMA statute in the country." Some are even reporting that Prop 8 is still the law in California. Failing to mention that is only the case because it is gonna take about 3-4 weeks to get all the paperwork done to remove the stay imposed during the appeals process.

The good news for the anti-DOMA camp is that when your opponent starts to stand up and beat their chest with "We are going to raise a constitutional amendment" you know you have won the war. There may be a few battles before final capitulation. You need 3/4 of states to approve the amendment. 12 states already allow same-sex marriage, RI recognizes same-sex marriage. 13 states vote against the amendment, it doesn't pass.

The Pro-Doma camp is shrinking quickly. Every election cycle, even those Pro-DOMA voter initiatives that get passed do so with ever shrinking margins. Public opinion polls have now moved to a majority of the country favoring gay marriage.

They have to give their supporters some small thread of hope to cling to. Just as the anti-abortion crowd did after Roe. There have been several attempts (read press conferences) where a constitutional amendment banning abortion have been proclaimed. That campaign started in the mid 1970's. I just check the latest version of the constitution. And, that's right. You guessed it. No amendment banning abortion in it.

Passing a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage is comical.
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from what I'm reading only one person suggested an amendment...
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from what I'm reading only one person suggested an amendment...
I'm sure he'll get support from some of his like-minded colleagues:
"It is a sad day. Some may try to brand us hateful. This is not a hateful group. This is a group that has love and compassion for our country.... What we have today is a holy quintet who goes against the laws of nature." - Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas

"Marriage is a fundamental building block of our civilization. It precedes this nation itself. It's the fiber that keeps our civilization so strong and certainly it's the ideal model from which we raise children." - Rep. John Fleming, R-La.

"I believe that today's decision will have negative consequences for children who should be raised by a mom and a dad."- Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pa.

"A court decision cannot decide moral questions for the people." - Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J.

"For the best interest of society itself ... we have defined a marriage between a man and woman in the interest of those children.... Society itself is at risk." - Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Mich.

"Marriage has been debased by this decision.... Decisions like this makes the people's voice muted."-Rep. Doug LaMalfa, R-Calif.

"The Supreme Court seems to be in collusion with the president and his Justice Department.... Unfortunately it's been at the expense of children." - Rep. Randy Weber, R-Texas

"The Supreme Court undercut the equal protection of every person who voted for their representative.... Now we have an effective oligarchy of five who decide the most fundamental issues of today." - Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.
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from what I'm reading only one person suggested an amendment...
yes, Huelskamp who is backed by Bachmann. But their party is known for these kinds of views. Not by all, but it is the stigma of the GOP.

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yes, Huelskamp who is backed by Bachmann. But their party is known for these kinds of views. Not by all, but it is the stigma of the GOP.
I don't think any mainstream GOP politician would actually propose a freaking constitutional amendment regarding this, it would be like jumping off a cliff and hoping you could fly.

Expressing disappointment is not the same as jumping on a lone gunman's bandwagon...just saying.

This is the exact stuff I was talking about. One fringe GOP guy says something crazy and it is supposed to be indicative of the entire party. One fringe Democrat says something crazy and he's just a fringe crazy guy.

2 way media bias perception
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I don't think any mainstream GOP politician would actually propose a freaking constitutional amendment regarding this, it would be like jumping off a cliff and hoping you could fly.
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I don't think any mainstream GOP politician would actually propose a freaking constitutional amendment regarding this, it would be like jumping off a cliff and hoping you could fly.

Expressing disappointment is not the same as jumping on a lone gunman's bandwagon...just saying.

This is the exact stuff I was talking about. One fringe GOP guy says something crazy and it is supposed to be indicative of the entire party. One fringe Democrat says something crazy and he's just a fringe crazy guy.

2 way media bias perception
When enough of the fringe eventually stick their collectives feet in their collective mouths about various topics, the party gets a reputation stuck to them, fair or not.
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I see nothing where BTO said he wants a constitutional amendment, I guess its just more baseless women and minority slandering by liberals. Don't leave our plantation you!
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When enough of the fringe eventually stick their collectives feet in their collective mouths about various topics, the party gets a reputation stuck to them, fair or not.
I assure you just as many stupid things are said and proposed by liberals and democrats, but they don't get the media echo chamber treatment.
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I assure you just as many stupid things are said and proposed by liberals and democrats, but they don't get the media echo chamber treatment.
No doubt about that, they're politicians, after all. Complaining about media bias is pointless, in my mind. The media has always had a left bias (as far as I can remember). If anything one would think that would make the GOP members even more careful about what they say.

The main point here is that the GOP needs to learn to keep their antiquated yaps shut about issues like this, or risk further alienation.
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I always found it odd that the party that on one hand so avidly propounds a respect for the traditions and a stricter, more originalist reading of the Constitution is the same one that, on the other hand, so readily proposes so many amendments to it.

As for making stupid statements, sure, members of both parties do, but I would assert that it is not in equal numbers or proportions of late and the GOP has been overly tolerant of many of the gaffs made by its members (though they're getting tighter on this), giving the impression of implicitly condoning them for whatever reasons.
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I don't think any mainstream GOP politician would actually propose a freaking constitutional amendment regarding this, it would be like jumping off a cliff and hoping you could fly.

Expressing disappointment is not the same as jumping on a lone gunman's bandwagon...just saying.

This is the exact stuff I was talking about. One fringe GOP guy says something crazy and it is supposed to be indicative of the entire party. One fringe Democrat says something crazy and he's just a fringe crazy guy.

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fair enough, and good point.

But the bigger issue is why bother with the issue of gay marriage at all? Why does the GOP have to toe the party line with this issue and why can't they evolve and change as the rest of America?

That said, while this may be one fringe member of government proposing an amendment, as alluded to above, there are others that share the same sentiment. Maybe not publicly announcing or outright stating to propose an amendment, but they are generally against the idea of gay marriage.
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No doubt about that, they're politicians, after all. Complaining about media bias is pointless, in my mind. The media has always had a left bias (as far as I can remember). If anything one would think that would make the GOP members even more careful about what they say.

The main point here is that the GOP needs to learn to keep their antiquated yaps shut about issues like this, or risk further alienation.
True that, but I don't think it is futile to constantly remind people of media bias. Confidence in media is at an all time low, assuredly as least partially due to said complaining.
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Let me get this straight:

A representative of congress, whose job is to make new laws/amendments and uphold what is currently written in constitutional amendments, says that we should basically be living under a theocracy under the Christian god's law, but rejects the notion of Sharia Law, a governing system based under a separate religion that worships the same god of Abraham?

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