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Old 07-01-2013, 05:08 PM   #61
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Ok so it seems none of you understand the industry well enough...
I thought you were in the restaurant industry?
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:08 PM   #62
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It is declared as a loss, which allows the hospitals to continue treating illegals and drug addicts without going bankrupt.
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More companies that are facing bankruptcy should learn that lesson. "We need to declare more losses!"
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:46 PM   #64
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More companies that are facing bankruptcy should learn that lesson. "We need to declare more losses!"
Often times the state makes up the losses as part of the "promise" to treat anyone who walks through that door. NY realized that they (the government) was losing a fortune and stopped paying. As a result, three of the largest hospitals in NYC went bankrupt. The entire point of charging 50K when they KNOW that insurance will pay 10, is so that they can write off 40. When you find another industry that gets paid 90% by insurance, you will see the same scams.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:22 PM   #65
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41 billion in unpaid hospital bills....anyone want to show me another country with those numbers?
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41 billion in unpaid hospital bills....anyone want to show me another country with those numbers?
Can't immediately come up with a country, never mind one of the wealthiest, with such a dysfunctional health care system that gives such results.
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Often times the state makes up the losses as part of the "promise" to treat anyone who walks through that door. NY realized that they (the government) was losing a fortune and stopped paying. As a result, three of the largest hospitals in NYC went bankrupt. The entire point of charging 50K when they KNOW that insurance will pay 10, is so that they can write off 40. When you find another industry that gets paid 90% by insurance, you will see the same scams.
Which well illustrates the gross distinction of our current fee-for-service system that inexorably drives up costs to be skimmed off as profit by the many players in this gamed system.
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Sure, kick out all the illegals, and kill everyone earning less than the poverty line. For the sake of entertainment, I would love to hear your thoughts...again...YOUR thoughts on how to fix the healthcare system in the US. That goes for anyone else who is disagreeing....post your thoughts on how we can fix it, and be specific.


1. Tort Reform, for lawyers

2. Sue the home nation of illegal aliens for healthcare provided here.

3. 80 percent of all healthcare is spent on elderly people during the last 2 years of their life. Spend that money more wisely and not because it makes the healthcare provider feel good.

4. Ensure money is spent at the front end of life instead of the end of it. Make sure that children have adequate nutrition and vitamins and proper dental care to include braces.

5. Require that people be more responsible for their own health. If you are 100 pounds overweight and have diabetes and are risk of a heart attack or losing a leg ....tough..........they should be required to lose the weight. The govt should not pay someone when they have the ability to fix it themselves for free (losing the weight).

How is that for a start ?
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41 billion in unpaid hospital bills....anyone want to show me another country with those numbers?
Britain...oh wait.....
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3. 80 percent of all healthcare is spent on elderly people during the last 2 years of their life. Spend that money more wisely and not because it makes the healthcare provider feel good.
So what are the elderly supposed to do then? Just sit around and die in a corner?

Yep, sorry grandma, screw you

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So what are the elderly supposed to do then? Just sit around and die in a corner?

Yep, sorry grandma, screw you
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1. Tort Reform, for lawyers

2. Sue the home nation of illegal aliens for healthcare provided here.

3. 80 percent of all healthcare is spent on elderly people during the last 2 years of their life. Spend that money more wisely and not because it makes the healthcare provider feel good.

4. Ensure money is spent at the front end of life instead of the end of it. Make sure that children have adequate nutrition and vitamins and proper dental care to include braces.

5. Require that people be more responsible for their own health. If you are 100 pounds overweight and have diabetes and are risk of a heart attack or losing a leg ....tough..........they should be required to lose the weight. The govt should not pay someone when they have the ability to fix it themselves for free (losing the weight).

How is that for a start ?
You have some good points but unrealistic implementation. Tort reform would be great. Allow insurance purchasing across state lines. Suing Mexico for illegals isn't going to happen. Eliminate battery testing and you eliminate a ton of cost. Restructure malpractice suits. You cannot legislate personal responsibility but you charge for it. Crash your car all the time? Your insurance will be through the roof. Become 150lbs overweight, your insurance will be through the roof. Ensuring kids get their veggies is a pipe dream. This is America. Cheeseburgers and fried chicken are a staple in many diets. Trying to legislate it would just be a tax on the people. Allow private hospitals to deny care to the uninsured. No one wants to go to a state hospital and when they see the lines and the level of care, they will quickly all want to join the private healthcare network.


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One of the major problems with health insurance is that group health plans don't have individual underwriting. So anyone who is part of the group (of employees, for example) automatically qualifies for the health insurance. So if you have a company of super-fit people and then the company hires a bunch of fatties, everyone's rates will go up. If you had individual screening for plans, you could more equitably distribute costs. Under the current plan, the unhealthy members of the plan get to externalize their healthcare costs to the healthy members.

I have had attorneys work for me who had diabetes, hypertension, and other health issues. One of them had been practicing as a solo for years and freely admitted to me that the only reason he was looking for a job was because he couldn't afford to have an individual health insurance plan because his health was so sketchy.
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One of the major problems with health insurance is that group health plans don't have individual underwriting. So anyone who is part of the group (of employees, for example) automatically qualifies for the health insurance. So if you have a company of super-fit people and then the company hires a bunch of fatties, everyone's rates will go up. If you had individual screening for plans, you could more equitably distribute costs. Under the current plan, the unhealthy members of the plan get to externalize their healthcare costs to the healthy members.

I have had attorneys work for me who had diabetes, hypertension, and other health issues. One of them had been practicing as a solo for years and freely admitted to me that the only reason he was looking for a job was because he couldn't afford to have an individual health insurance plan because his health was so sketchy.
Thats another thing. We need to separate employers from insurance. If an employer wants to provide health insurance to their employees as a perk, an attraction, whatever, they can pay for their policy (sort of like a company paying for an employee's education.) It is in the company's best interest to keep their employee healthy, not missing work, and not dying right?
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Please let me know which country you speak of (that has better than US common folk medical care) has 300+ million people and 20 million+ illegal immigrants using their medical systems....go ahead, ill wait.
So the US V India & China?!!

I'll just add that the UK populace like free-at-the-point-of-use universal healthcare. Yes, I pay a tax for it, but it's not a lot and I think it's a good thing. No political party in the UK can touch the NHS over here - it's almost the golden calf. For me at least, it's more interesting the difference in mass psyche regarding a right to heathcare in Europe v the US. We're not quite as...Darwinian as the US.
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So the US V India & China?!!

I'll just add that the UK populace like free-at-the-point-of-use universal healthcare. Yes, I pay a tax for it, but it's not a lot and I think it's a good thing. No political party in the UK can touch the NHS over here - it's almost the golden calf. For me at least, it's more interesting the difference in mass psyche regarding a right to heathcare in Europe v the US. We're not quite as...Darwinian as the US.
So you are comparing to the healthcare system in the US vs China and India now?
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So the US V India & China?!!

I'll just add that the UK populace like free-at-the-point-of-use universal healthcare. Yes, I pay a tax for it, but it's not a lot and I think it's a good thing. No political party in the UK can touch the NHS over here - it's almost the golden calf. For me at least, it's more interesting the difference in mass psyche regarding a right to heathcare in Europe v the US. We're not quite as...Darwinian as the US.
Well, maybe if 25 percent of your federal budget did not go to defense to support all these wars around the world that are none of our business, we might be able to have a national health care system.
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So you are comparing to the healthcare system in the US vs China and India now?
No. But your question only allows comparison to China and India as these are the only two countries with populations larger than the US - so it kind of nixes any relevant comparison with other developed nations...
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No. But your question only allows comparison to China and India as these are the only two countries with populations larger than the US - so it kind of nixes any relevant comparison with other developed nations...
Exactly my point. The US is not comparable to any other nation. No other nation has our standards, our way of life, our population size, and our illegal problem COMBINED. Hence, saying "we should just adopt the system from country XYZ" is a childish argument.
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Exactly my point. The US is not comparable to any other nation. No other nation has our standards, our way of life, our population size, and our illegal problem COMBINED. Hence, saying "we should just adopt the system from country XYZ" is a childish argument.
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