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Old 07-05-2013, 05:36 PM   #21
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:40 PM   #22
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Old 07-05-2013, 06:16 PM   #23
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Yeah just a name....who really cares.

The smart thing would have been to give the M4 designation to the sedan though.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:16 PM   #24
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It is an invalid argument what about all those turbo diesel engines with 300k plus miles on them still running strong
Diesel engines don't run long because they're turbo, and ones with 300k have had their turbo replaced or rebuilt a couple times. The point is extra moving parts means extra parts to wear and a more complex design. Look at the M54, you did not hear of anywhere near the problems that the N54 has had, rattling wastegates, HPFP, carbon build up, etc. Add in the fact that there a lot of people tuning them for more power and pushing them to higher limits than they were intended to run at and you will see decreased life overall.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:26 PM   #25
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:34 PM   #26
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:44 PM   #27
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Re: The BMW M3 Coupe Is Officially Dead (Forever)

Not to mention that diesels are near. tanks in terms of construction and size

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This is astounding logic. Please let all of the LSx guys know this so they can ditch their V8's for i4's.
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My POS passat has nearly 100k miles and this turbo is gonna die soon I know it. And a lot more parts is correct. This pipe and that pipe. It has a greater upkeep just because of the extra strain it CAN put on the engine


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Diesels don't have piston temperature problems like a gas rig. (Assuming generally stock application)
BMW had major issues with the twin turbo six, gave up and went single, now they are going to try a over tweaked 4 cyl?
LOL What could go wrong. 2 liters dragging a 3500 lb car.... Crap gas in most of the country..

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Diesels don't have piston temperature problems like a gas rig. (Assuming generally stock application)
BMW had major issues with the twin turbo six, gave up and went single, now they are going to try a over tweaked 4 cyl?
LOL What could go wrong. 2 liters dragging a 3500 lb car.... Crap gas in most of the country..

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You just went full retard.
Please tell me why BMW kept the N54 in the 1m?
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You just went full retard.
Please tell me why BMW kept the N54 in the 1m?
The complaints are climbing, 3 friends with them they are all garage queens.
waiting parts from god knows where, or waiting for the dealer mechanic to get trained enough for them to perform the warrantee work. There is a serious class action starting because BMW is not fixing them and claiming its a different problem so they don't have recourse under lemon laws. BMW has done this for YEARS,,, Trunk wiring harnesses, heater fan contollers, exploding plastic radiators, etc etc..

I wish I could find the article, it showed the newer N54 going single turbo because of drive-ability issues with the first gen engine... If I'm wrong Oh well.

BTW guys that pop off with insults rather than just saying no your wrong the actual fact is "X"... Nothing like a pussy keyboard commando saying what he would never say face to face tin any civil conversation.. We were talking about what various folks heard or thought about teh M3 going away and why...

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Diesels don't have piston temperature problems like a gas rig. (Assuming generally stock application)
BMW had major issues with the twin turbo six, gave up and went single, now they are going to try a over tweaked 4 cyl?
LOL What could go wrong. 2 liters dragging a 3500 lb car.... Crap gas in most of the country..

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Because they are able to design cars using modern technological advances and research such that they can achieve the same horsepower and response that people are expecting by using a single turbo rather than dual, and by using an I4 instead of an I6? Duh?
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Also, let me put it this way:

Go back to the early 90's and tell people that 64 gigabytes can be affordably stored on a device the size of your fingertip, and they'd say you're full of **** and that it would never work. Devices are getting smaller and faster, while space is getting bigger.

Analogous to engines are getting smaller and faster, while space is getting bigger. The size of the 3-series has increased every year while still maintaining the same, or better, MPG and a faster (and now, smaller) engine. That's what the public wants.
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Yup nobody cares cause everyone knows the e46 m3 was the best of the bunch. Bring back the csl godamnit!
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@ZELL,, Totally agree with the logic, but all "I" want as one of the public, is life expectancy of the vehicle and reasonable economy.
From maintaining a lot of NA and FI cars on track I know which ones I have confidence in and which ones I don't..
Add to that the absolutely awful experiences a few friends have had with BMW warranted service and it kind of burns the bridge..

I own(ed) multiple BMW's and it just feels like every model the economical maintenance life goes down and the cost goes up..
I mean a 80 dollar cabin air filter?? A valve cover gasket that lasts < 80K? And those are easy parts... Hell BMW cant build a car that
the window mechanism lasts in.. So for now I'm a pessimist. Hope that they prove me wrong.

BTW in the early 90's I was helping design that ****

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I think one reason why cars seem to be less reliable nowadays is because they're getting cheaper to produce. Spending time trying to make something last really really long isn't necessary anymore in today's "buy, buy, buy" economy. The resources needed to create cars are so readily available, and the research and software needed to make that all happen is so easy to do now that creating the most modern car is desirable. Technology continues to increase at an exponential rate, and something being "out-of-date" happens pretty quickly nowadays.

Smart phones from 4 years ago - totally out of date, and stuff already isn't even compatible with them! Bring in a 4-year old smart phone to the store to fix it, and they'll just suggest you get a new one. Shoot, I brought my 4-year old Macbook Pro into the store to get a new battery and they suggested I just get a new computer - at only 4 years old! Things are moving so quickly now that the consumer cares more about having the most modern item available vs. one that lasts long. They want something that will last them as long as the next best thing. That's what it seems like car companies are doing nowadays as well. The car lifespan is shrinking more and more as time goes on, because we have the means to allow that to happen.

I personally find that both simultaneously amazing and disappointing. It's amazing in the fact that I can buy a car packed full of cool stuff, then 6 years later something even more advanced comes out, and it's packed full of ridiculous stuff that makes the car I drive look old. I mean holy crap, we are living in a crazy age.
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