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Old 07-05-2013, 09:04 PM   #21
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:08 PM   #22
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:19 PM   #23
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what the hell are you talking about? he said the cops were wrong to do what they did.. he is agreeing with you...what part of that do you not get?
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No one is doubting that the LEO's actions were incorrect, but as someone else said, that doesn't make what the driver did correct.
Excercising your rights shouldn't be viewed as incorrect.


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Old 07-05-2013, 09:26 PM   #24
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:26 PM   #25
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Why have rights when you can't use them? I don't know about Tennessee but here in pretty sure the window only has to be open enough to communicate. You can say he brought it on himself, but then you might also be the type of person that says scantily clad women bring rape upon themselves. Why would someone do this? I suppose they felt like the police were using their authority incorrectly(which they clearly were). This is America, not Africa, noone should be afraid of the police.

Edit: Except criminals I suppose.

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Old 07-05-2013, 09:32 PM   #26
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Why have rights when you can't use them? I don't know about Tennessee but here in pretty sure the window only has to be open enough to communicate. You can say he brought it on himself, but then you might also be the type of person that says scantily clad women bring rape upon themselves. Why would someone do this? I suppose they felt like the police were using their authority incorrectly(which they clearly were). This is America, not Africa, noone should be afraid of the police.

Edit: Except criminals I suppose.
Why would you exercise them so much in the first place when they don't need to be? Yeah, you can, but why would you make life so much harder on yourself in situations when it's unnecessary? You need to also remember that the cop is a person as well.

There are more good cops than corrupt cops out there. The corrupt cops are of course going to make the media far more than a cop actually doing his job right. Treating all cops as corrupt is an easy way to make life harder on yourself.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:40 PM   #28
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The fact is that the constitutional rights of that driver were violated in at least 5 ways. The cops broke the law in at least 3 ways.

If that was me, both cops would be fired and an easy lawsuit would be won.

You can disagree with me, you're wrong, but still entitled to that
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The fact is that the constitutional rights of that driver were violated in at least 5 ways. The cops broke the law in at least 3 ways.

If that was me, both cops would be fired and an easy lawsuit would be won.

You can disagree with me, you're wrong, but still entitled to that
Don't worry, thanks to the internet, the cop is either gonna get fired or he will resign. I can almost promise that. This is also why it's pretty darn important to record run-ins with cops. Kind of makes me want to install a dash cam.
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I'm well aware of the constitutionality of of DWI checkpoints, I've read plenty about them. In my state they are deemed constitutional. I'm not a fan of them, but I don't view a LEO standing outside of my car and asking a question as a violation of my rights. What the cop did in the video I do view as a violation of rights. In any event, exercising a right does not mean I would go out of my way to act like a prick.
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I got caught in one of these years ago in my 78 MGB with the trunk full of hard liquor and 4 cases of tall boys bungeed to the luggage rack.. They decided pretty quick I hadn't been drinking but it turns out at the time WA had a law that said no distilled or malt beverages within reach of the driver. I simply asked how I could do that with a MGB? LOL they finally just told me to leave out of confusion I think...

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I'm well aware of the constitutionality of of DWI checkpoints, I've read plenty about them. In my state they are deemed constitutional. I'm not a fan of them, but I don't view a LEO standing outside of my car and asking a question as a violation of my rights. What the cop did in the video I do view as a violation of rights. In any event, exercising a right does not mean I would go out of my way to act like a prick.
Cop can ask you almost anything they want and even lie to you.
You have no obligation to answer their questions.

DUI checkpoints are legal BUT under very strict guidelines.
Cop failed majorly here. Any cop that abuses their power, threatens a person and violates someone like this deserves to be fired and JAILED
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I'm well aware of the constitutionality of of DWI checkpoints, I've read plenty about them. In my state they are deemed constitutional. I'm not a fan of them, but I don't view a LEO standing outside of my car and asking a question as a violation of my rights. What the cop did in the video I do view as a violation of rights. In any event, exercising a right does not mean I would go out of my way to act like a prick.
Thats the problem. He didnt say or do anything to act like a prick. He very clearly and calmly asked if he was free to go or was being detained and/or if he was required to give information.

I have a feeling if this was a checkpoint for wants/warrants in a low income area or a checkpoint to check citizenship you'd be up in arms calling for protests.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:28 PM   #34
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Cop can ask you almost anything they want and even lie to you.
You have no obligation to answer their questions.

DUI checkpoints are legal BUT under very strict guidelines.
Cop failed majorly here. Any cop that abuses their power, threatens a person and violates someone like this deserves to be fired and JAILED
They won't get fired. Just a paid "leave" (vacation). Sadly.

Anyways, this kid was just exercising his rights. You guys say that escalated the situation?

1. Opening your window like the driver did is acceptable as long as you can speak to the officer clearly
2. The officer did not even question the driver's sobriety (the purpose of a DWI checkpoint)
3. The officer got angry that the driver exercised constitutional rights=the cause of the unnecessary and unconstitutional search by using a K9 to create a false positive. The officer created PC by using the K9 to falsely alert when checking the car

The officer should have examined his sobriety and sent him on his way, not break his balls for exercising simple constitutional rights. Some of you may have handled it differently, but the driver did not do anything wrong here whatsoever.
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I have a feeling if this was a checkpoint for wants/warrants in a low income area or a checkpoint to check citizenship you'd be up in arms calling for protests.
Well, you know what they say about assumptions.
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Re: Another DUI checkpoint video (4 July 2013).

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had he just rolled down the window in the first place im 99% sure this is how the conversation would have went:

officer: how you doin tonight?
kid: alright officer, how are you?
officer: alright. have you had anything to drink tonight?
kid: no sir.
(officer quickly examines to see if the kid is showing signs of impairment)
officer: alright, you have a safe night

the kid made more hassle for himself than it was worth IMO. and yes, the cops were wrong, it doesn't make the kid right.
Is that an oxymoron?
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If it were me I would've of course rolled the window all the way down, but the officer had no right to ignore the law like that. He went way out of bounds. It doesn't matter if you don't roll the window all the way down, an officer cannot and should not go beyond the law in that way. He can be as suspicious as he wants, but it has to be within the law.
Its a icky situation. If you try to look at things from a cops perspective you probrably understand why they do some of the things that they do. No doubt the cop went overboard in this vid but its a cops job to be suspicious. A cops alertness level will always be higher then the average civilian because when they make a stop they have no idea what to expect. If you dont comply to a simple request such as rolling down your windows all the way, you just earned 5 stars in gta. Come on guys, he just wanted you to roll the window down, not like he wanted you to spread your buttcheeks
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Please keep in mind through this story, that the kid in the youtube video is a very respectful looking 21 year old Caucasian male. He was wearing puma shoes, cleanly cut jeans, a subaru t-shirt, and a fleece jacket. His hair is short and cleanly kept, and he have no piercings. Nothing makes him stand out as a rebel or any sort of a threat. He also lives in a good area of the suburbs, and was pulled over in a nice area near a shopping center.
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