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Old 07-09-2013, 07:58 AM   #1
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Washington Orders Bin Laden Raid Files Purged

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Associated Press= WASHINGTON (AP) â***128;" The top U.S. special operations commander, Adm. William McRaven, ordered military files about the Navy SEAL raid on Osama bin Laden's hideout to be purged from Defense Department computers and sent to the CIA, where they could be more easily shielded from ever being made public.

The secret move, described briefly in a draft report by the Pentagon's inspector general, set off no alarms within the Obama administration even though it appears to have sidestepped federal rules and perhaps also the U.S. Freedom of Information Act.

An acknowledgement by Adm. William McRaven of his actions was quietly removed from the final version of an inspector general's report published weeks ago. A spokesman for the admiral declined to comment. The CIA, noting that the bin Laden mission was overseen by then-CIA Director Leon Panetta before he became defense secretary, said that the SEALs were effectively assigned to work temporarily for the CIA, which has presidential authority to conduct covert operations.

"Documents related to the raid were handled in a manner consistent with the fact that the operation was conducted under the direction of the CIA director," agency spokesman Preston Golson said in an emailed statement. "Records of a CIA operation such as the (bin Laden) raid, which were created during the conduct of the operation by persons acting under the authority of the CIA Director, are CIA records."

Golson said it is "absolutely false" that records were moved to the CIA to avoid the legal requirements of the Freedom of Information Act.

The records transfer was part of an effort by McRaven to protect the names of the personnel involved in the raid, according to the inspector general's draft report.

But secretly moving the records allowed the Pentagon to tell The Associated Press that it couldn't find any documents inside the Defense Department that AP had requested more than two years ago, and would represent a new strategy for the U.S. government to shield even its most sensitive activities from public scrutiny.

"Welcome to the shell game in place of open government," said Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private research institute at George Washington University. "Guess which shell the records are under. If you guess the right shell, we might show them to you. It's ridiculous."

McRaven's directive sent the only copies of the military's records about its daring raid to the CIA, which has special authority to prevent the release of "operational files" in ways that can't effectively be challenged in federal court. The Defense Department can prevent the release of its own military files, citing risks to national security, but that can be contested in court and a judge can compel it to turn over non-sensitive portions of records.

Transferring government records from one executive agency to another must be approved in writing by the National Archives and Records Administration, under the Code of Federal Regulations. There are limited circumstances when prior approval is not required, such as when the records are moved between two components of the same executive department. The CIA and Special Operations Command are not part of the same department.
Seems a little fishy, no? What happened to transparency? Did we even kill this guy?
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oh yeah?...well bush and iraq.
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:35 AM   #3
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A new "scandal"!

Where's the tinfoil?
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We want to know everything even if it compromises are position and national security. Ya know, because we should know everything.
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Seems a little fishy, no? What happened to transparency? Did we even kill this guy?
Fishy, yes.

But rest assured he's dead. If he wasn't, he'd have popped up a long time ago to prove the claims false and thumb his nose at the lying infidels.
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I guess killing him wasn't good enough.
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Good. Foreign policy isn't democratic.
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Fishy, yes.

But rest assured he's dead. If he wasn't, he'd have popped up a long time ago to prove the claims false and thumb his nose at the lying infidels.
Oh definitely agree, but wasn't he diagnosed with some kidney or liver disease that gave him little time to live?
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Oh definitely agree, but wasn't he diagnosed with some kidney or liver disease that gave him little time to live?
I think he had suffered that ailment for well over a decade by the time Obama personally decapitated him with Excalibur.
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Seems a little fishy, no? What happened to transparency? Did we even kill this guy?
What exactly do you want to know?
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Washington Orders Bin Laden Raid Files Purged

1) Article says "appears to have side stepped". that doesn't make it so.

2) if this mission was indeed overseen by the CIA and the military SOF forces were acting under their direction, then I see no issue with documents going back to the Agency that was in charge. Something AoG didn't highlight in bold in the article

3) I continue to fail to understand why the public needs to know anything about how exactly the raid went down, what the methods were, etc. Techniques, tactics, and procedures of SOF forces are classified - and for good reason.

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oh really? I for one wouldn't care if in fact, the DOD purged all files and sent them off to the CIA. Nothing to do with "transparency", at least not to me. This is about protecting our methods which shouldn't be made available to the public.

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Oh definitely agree, but wasn't he diagnosed with some kidney or liver disease that gave him little time to live?
You realize even Al Qaeda confirmed his death right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/07/wo...aeda.html?_r=0


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You realize even Al Qaeda confirmed his death right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/07/wo...aeda.html?_r=0


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oh well that could never be used as a recruiting tool. Hmm, what riles people up more: America coming and illegally intruding into Pakistan to kill OBL or him dying of disease? I mean, if GITMO is a PRIME RECRUITMENT TOOL for Al-Q this would be too.

Hey dude, I have no idea what they could/would be hiding but I'm sick of everything being "omg tin foil hat!!!" when a lot of the stuff turns out to be true (hi IRS!). Also, they're so damn secretive about everything and they ridicule anyone who asks any questions immediately. All guilty behaviors.
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