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Old 07-13-2013, 12:38 AM   #1
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Dear photography enthusiasts, what would you recommend I start off with for my first dslr?

Obviously a beginner camera that I can learn on.

My budget is $800.

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Old 07-13-2013, 12:39 AM   #2
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I would also like to shoot good quality videos with it.

I should also probably mention that (without much knowledge) I am leaning towards the D5200. That swivel screen seems like it would come in handy in many situations.
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Nikon DSLR are okay for video. Canon DSLR are better for video. You can learn on any camera. Every camera uses the same concept when it comes to capturing an image. When you learn about shutter speeds and aperture modes then that's it. Plus maybe ISO and White Balance but that's basically it. Whether its on an entry level or not. I like to use the midrange/semi pro cameras (i.e. D90, D7100, Canon 60D, Canon 7D, Nikon D600) because you have the features from both worlds (entry and pro features).

http://www.cameralabs.com/buyers_gui...nge_DSLR.shtml

If you are looking at the Nikon 5200, check out the Canon T4i. Either will work. I would lean towards the camera brand that your friends have. This way you can ask them questions about the camera's technology/ins and out. For example, When I got my Nikon D50, I was hanging out with vocalist friend and her photographer uses Nikon. He should me the best settings to use in certain situations. On the other hand, I know a lot of pro photographers because they shot my concerts. Anyway, when I moved towards digital SLR they were helpful.

Your $800 budget can buy you a lot.

Canon 60D + kit lens (or used lens)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...LR_Camera.html

Canon T5i

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._t5i_dslr.html

Canon T3i
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Rebel_T3i.html


Nikon D5200

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...lr_camera.html

If you go with the D5200, get the body only and pair it with a lens that has longer length. Nikon 18-105mm lens or 24-85mm lens. I would look for a used one so to stay in your budget. Some people think they are getting a deal when they see the camera bundled with 18-55mm and 55-200mm lenses. I did. Then I forgot to think about what I wanted to capture with my DSLR. If you are going to be shooting cars and car shows along with family portraits, but want to stay with one lens or keeping with the budget... buying a used wide angle lens or a lens that's better suites your needs vs the 18-55mm is a better option imo.

18-105mm gives you a nice range for a kit lens.
$200 used ($450 new) http://www.adorama.com/US%20%20%20%20576066.html

I haven't shot with the 24-120mm lens but for some reason I think it would work well as a cheaper walk around lens. Walk around lens is a lens that an all purpose lens.

Nikon 24-120
http://www.adorama.com/US%20%20%20%20572158.html


If you have $300 more moolah laying around go with the D7000 and if you really don't need a swivel LCD. Remember if you are shooting in daylight, you will not be able to see your screen. I know when I'm shooting Festivals, the sun can be bright and the LCD screen is not visible. I have to either use my hand and guess if the image came out or not. There are accessories you can use to view the LCD screen when this occurs. D7000 has dual card slots.

http://www.adorama.com/INKD7000K1.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...amera_Kit.html


Here is a link to a review that touch bases on some of the Nikon DSLR in the range you are looking for. I know this link is for D7100 but it cross compares the D5200 and D7100
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Ni.../verdict.shtml

Canon T4i and Nikon D5200
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Ni.../verdict.shtml


Walk around lens info
http://www.all-things-photography.co...ra-lenses.html
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Thank you very much. I'll spend today reading into all those links and then get back to you.
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18-135mm or 15-85mm
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If you have some time would you mind elaborating?
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After reading those links, I think i'm still leaning towards the nikon 5200. It looks like the 7100 and 7000 aren't worth it that much for the extra money.

As for Canon, I think i'm going to take Saxual's advice to get a camera my friends use. And the few photographers I know use Nikon.

So get the 5200 body and then a better lens than 18-55? Sound like a good plan?

Or a refurbished D90 for $540? Hard decisions.
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Aw forget it, going for the Nikon D5200. Thank you for the help.
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As for places to buy

From Nikon
$799 and then shipping added on top i'm guessing.
http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikon...ctID.265346500

From Gadget Circuit
$780 free shipping (so i'd save at least $20)
http://www.gadgetcircuit.com/viewpro...GoogleShopping



Then there's this site.... I looked up reviews and it seems like a legitimate site. But i'm a little confused on what comes with the camera. Are all the parts included that come with the camera in the two stores labeled above? And then those extra goodies also?
$800 free shipping
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.a...gpspn=pla#tabs
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It really comes down to what you need. I personally like having a camera that gives me room to grow and is easy to use. I don't want to spend time holding down two buttons to make one thing work. That's what you have to do change your settings on a D5200. But if your budget is limited then you go with the one you see fit those needs.

The D7100/D7000 have more to offer vs D5200.

1. Command Mode - If you want to, down the road, use Nikon's flash system in a more pro like situation ... Well, for example, lets say you want to start shooting portraits and you want to be more creative using a SB-700 flash? You can place this flash somewhere in the room and bounce the flash to spotlight the subject etc. This would be great when you are shooting cars at night. Maybe make it look more dramatic.

2. Top LCD screen - this is helpful when you want to quickly check/change your settings with having to go into the menu screen. That back LCD screen eats up a lot of power. This is why the D7100/D7000 (900 shots) have a better battery life than the D5200 (500 shots). If you are traveling and don't have access to charging your battery, having more juice is sweet. lol Or two you could just purchase another battery. D5200 battery $40. Nikon makes a battery grip for the D7100/D7000. There are third party grips for both cameras.

3. Lens choices - more lens choices

4. Better body build - I dropped my D50 a few years ago and it took a beating. These cameras are build solid. Although after killing my D50 I got to see what was inside. It was nothing but a few motherboards held up by screws. Which is basically what you get with an entry level camera. As you go up in models, they have a chassis built around them and the outside is heavily armored. If you can before purchasing, put them in your hands and see which one you like holding. I'm a person who, if it doesn't feel right in my hands I won't shoot with it. I would love to get a pro body but the injuries I had in the past won't let me use it, without pain. I love the Nikon bodies that sit between entry level and pro.

5. Front and rear dials - On the D5200 the flash button (+/-) has multiple functions. This is because there is no front dial. If you are a beginner you don't notice that. D7100/D7000 have both front and rear dials.

GlockMan mentioned the Canon entry level because they have a better image quality when it comes to shooting video. Those that I know who shoot either Canon or Nikon, chose them because they like what the camera puts out. I totally agree with Glockman on choosing Canon. For me I chose Nikon because I love the grip and since I'm a more visual person I grasped onto the menu well without having to open the manual. The Canon menu screen gives me headaches.



The links I places I posted to buy that I like online are Adorama and B&H Photo. They are Authorized dealers, package the product very well, prices are generally fair, and if you outside NY there is no tax and free shipping. They do charge for shipping and tax(I think) for used gear. I like them because if there is a problem they will work with you.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com
http://www.adorama.com

Go with the D5200 and kit lens to start if you are comfortable. If you don't mind getting a used lens, go with the Nikon 18-105mm. This lens has more elements than the 18-55mm and you are getting more zoom.

D5200 w/17-55mm $796 w/ free SD card and battery
http://www.adorama.com/results/d5200

Add this D5200 w/ free SD card and battery to used 18-105mm lens ($130 more over your budget)
http://www.adorama.com/INKD5200.html

With used lens $927
Nikon 18-105mm lens
http://www.adorama.com/US%20%20%20%20572127.html

$996 D5200 & 18-105mm new
http://www.adorama.com/INKD5200K1.html

Images taken with D5200 and 18-105mm
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Niko...200%2018-105mm




more info on speed lighting







When you get your D5200 check out Adam Lerner and Fro Knows Photo on youtube.

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Nice move on the 5200. I have a 5100 and love it, but of course there is still a lot I have to learn about it.
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It really comes down to what you need. I personally like having a camera that gives me room to grow and is easy to use. I don't want to spend time holding down two buttons to make one thing work. That's what you have to do change your settings on a D5200. But if your budget is limited then you go with the one you see fit those needs.

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Wow you need some recognition for being so helpful on this site. Do you have a youtube channel where you make videos to help people?

Is there any problems with buying a used lens? Also I was learning that with zoom lenses the more you zoom the higher f stop you have to use. I see that the 18-105 has a max f stop of 5.6 which is pretty high isn't it? aka I won't be able to blur much in the background with it zoomed all the way in?

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Nice move on the 5200. I have a 5100 and love it, but of course there is still a lot I have to learn about it.
Good to hear, when did you start shooting?
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As for Canon vs Nikon.
I am a Canon user but in your case I would go with Nikon only because your friends use Nikon, so that you can share lenses and speedlites
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Yea it'll be nice to share equipment since it's so expensive.

Thank you for all the info. I think i'll either get the 5200 body and the used 18-105 lens, or just stick with the 5200 and kit lens.
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lol I was waiting for cuz earlier to finish taking his nap so that help me take the rims off my car to clean... lol so I had some time. I think I did the same thing that you did. I asked a few guys here about what to buy and of course some photography friends. Basically I just stated what I learned from them.

No there is no problem with buying a used lens. The 18-105mm was packaged as a kit lens with the D90 and D7000. Most likely this used lens came off of one of those cameras after someone purchased the D90/D7000 they sold the lens. The 18-105mm and 18-55mm have f/4.5-5.6 aperture. This means that when you shoot at 18mm the lowest you can go is f/4.5. When you shoot at 105mm or 55mm on those lenses the max aperture you can have is f/5.6.
imo This is the down side of using a DSLR. You are restricted to the minimum and max aperture setting. They do have lenses that shoot f/2.8 or lower which cost a lot more. The d-type lenses will run $120 - up. The G-type, which you can Autofocus on D5200, will start around $250 - up. Some like to use the prime lenses because they are cheaper. Prime lenses have a fixed focal length (35mm, 50mm, 20mm, 105mm, etc)

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lol I was waiting for cuz earlier to finish taking his nap so that help me take the rims off my car to clean... lol so I had some time. I think I did the same thing that you did. I asked a few guys here about what to buy and of course some photography friends. Basically I just stated what I learned from them.

No there is no problem with buying a used lens. The 18-105mm was packaged as a kit lens with the D90 and D7000. Most likely this used lens came off of one of those cameras after someone purchased the D90/D7000 they sold the lens. The 18-105mm and 18-55mm have f/4.5-5.6 aperture. This means that when you shoot at 18mm the lowest you can go is f/4.5. When you shoot at 105mm or 55mm on those lenses the max aperture you can have is f/5.6.
imo This is the down side of using a DSLR. You are restricted to the minimum and max aperture setting. They do have lenses that shoot f/2.8 or lower which cost a lot more. The d-type lenses will run $120 - up. The G-type, which you can Autofocus on D5200, will start around $250 - up. Some like to use the prime lenses because they are cheaper. Prime lenses have a fixed focal length (35mm, 50mm, 20mm, 105mm, etc)

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And...me-lenses.html


http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/de...ory=4294963370
Ok so when you are not zoomed in at all on both lenses, the lowest f stop you can use is 4.5. And then when zoomed all the way in the highest f stop I can use is 5.6. But what about the lowest f stop available when zoomed all the way in? Is it still 4.5?

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Sorry I made a typo....I meant to say.

18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 lens
18mm the lowest aperture is f/3.5
55mm the lowest aperture is f/5.6


I was just putting that info out there. If you are a beginner its a good lens to start. If you are a budget I suggested you get the 18-105mm because you get an extra 50mm. Some people will go with the 18-55 and 55-200mm lenses or 55-300mm. Going with the 18-105mm you get more lens elements and you don't have to switch lenses as much if you would have gotten the 18-55mm and 55-200mm.

I think I mentioned the 18-105mm because of your budget.

Check out Jared shoot with a D3100 w/18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 lens

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