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Old 05-14-2019, 11:09 AM   #1
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Touring owners: Who has done the Bavsound Stage 1 upgrade? (HK if you got it)

Seriously mulling this over. It's really not crazy expensive for the tourings, especially since you don't get the rear bass drivers. (Not included in this kit.)

Just that the sound in my 2002 E46 Touring is absolute catbarf. It's muddy and dull and I can barely have the stereo on.

I'm fine installing speakers in doors. Plug-n-play is a no-brainer; it just takes time.

But is it worth it for a touring, and did it matter that you weren't able to replace the rears?

This thread touches on touring rear speakers a little bit, and I could do that at some point also, but would just want to start with the BSW Stage 1 kit.

So, who's done it? Happy? Worth it? Did you do something else instead? Did you also deal with the amp, or leave it as is?

I'll hang up and listen.
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I do not own a touring but did the BavSound Stage one kit and it really didn't make much of a difference. It was better but not where I was trying to get to. Once I added the BavSound sub enclosure and sub amp, the entire sound system came alive. Deep, crisp and clear. Over 13 years now and still as awesome as the day I put it in.

Disclaimer: I am by no means an audio specialist but to my basic knowledge and ears, my system sounds fantastic to me.
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Once I added the BavSound sub enclosure and sub amp, the entire sound system came alive.
Is that still a thing? They show subwoofers on the BavSound site, but they seem to be the under-seat ones from newer cars.
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Is that still a thing? They show subwoofers on the BavSound site, but they seem to be the under-seat ones from newer cars.
It was 13 years ago... They were even called Bavarian Sound Werks back then...





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I have them installed in my '04 Touring. It was similar to you. Sounded pretty weak and muddy with the stock speakers. HK through business CD. Avin Avant 4 going in soon. I have had the BSW's in my M3 for a long time and was happy with them. Installed them in the Touring and it brightens things up quite a bit.

Yes, of course you can do better with other speakers. But for day to day and it being basically plug and play? Sometimes it's nice to keep things simple.

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Seriously mulling this over. It's really not crazy expensive for the tourings, especially since you don't get the rear bass drivers. (Not included in this kit.)

Just that the sound in my 2002 E46 Touring is absolute ****. It's muddy and dull and I can barely have the stereo on.

I'm fine installing speakers in doors. Plug-n-play is a no-brainer; it just takes time.

But is it worth it for a touring, and did it matter that you weren't able to replace the rears?

This thread touches on touring rear speakers a little bit, and I could do that at some point also, but would just want to start with the BSW Stage 1 kit.

So, who's done it? Happy? Worth it? Did you do something else instead? Did you also deal with the amp, or leave it as is?

I'll hang up and listen.
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I just recently (2 months ago) installed BSW Stage 1 kit in my '02 Touring with Avant 3 and H/K system with original rear 6x9 woofers, and have to say that I think the system sounds a lot better after installing the BSW's, deeper/tighter bass from the front and cleaner mids/highs overall. The sound deadening kit did a great job of eliminating buzzing in the front door panels too.

would definitely recommend
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Cool. Thanks for the replies!

Might tackle the rear speaker enclosures this weekend, just to see what's back there.

I believe 2-ohm 6x9 midbass units.

Found some CDT drivers that would fit, and might just get them along with the BSW kit.
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would love to hear if you figure out a good way to replace the factory H/K rear 6x9 woofers in the touring model, if they are as crappy as the front woofers were (relative to the BSW's), should be a big improvement

please keep us posted! with photos too!
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would love to hear if you figure out a good way to replace the factory H/K rear 6x9 woofers in the touring model, if they are as crappy as the front woofers were (relative to the BSW's), should be a big improvement

please keep us posted! with photos too!
will do.

Just had a thought... I've read a few posts that say the mounting depth is really shallow back there. So, I might just take a knife/saw/rotozip to the opening and mount the speakers above that surface, rather than behind it. It'll be protected by the speaker grille, should look just fine, and provide for a far greater mounting depth.
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OK, got a bug up my butt and decided to rip apart the rear enclosure to get to the speakers, really just to see what's back there. (And to give myself some options about what to replace them with.)

This webpage discusses removing all the bits, and it's pretty much spot on.

So, everything out, here's what we have:













2-ohm 6x9 "subwoofer"

The depth of the speakers is pretty shallow, true. But there is PLENTY of room in front of the speakers, like 2 inches, before you get to that visible grill that's in the big surrounding trim. I'm thinking I could take some MDF/Plywood and build up that speaker baffle to accommodate pretty much anything, I'd guess.

So, i went ahead and ordered a pair of CDT 2-ohm subs.

CDT ES-690CFS GOLD.2



https://www.cdtaudio.com/2ohm/subwoo.../es690cfs2.php

Mounting depth of 2.87".

I also went ahead and ordered the Phase 1 kit from BSW.

(I'd had a few cocktails friday night and was feeling frisky.)

Anyway, further updates as events warrant.
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Has anyone thought about upgrading the head unit to professional instead of business? I've just ordered it and apparantly it sounds better than business stereo. I got hk. Will let all know if it improves things without swapping speakers.
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Has anyone thought about upgrading the head unit to professional instead of business? I've just ordered it and apparantly it sounds better than business stereo. I got hk. Will let all know if it improves things without swapping speakers.
I've not even seen this.

I did see that there are Alpine versions of the headunit, though. (Same front, but just manufactured by Alpine. I forget who made the other one tho.)

Is it a straight swap? I'll hunt it down unless you have a link!
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Finished the woofer install this weekend.

Here are the CDT woofers:





Coupla things on the install: Yes it's a pain in the ass to remove that rear paneling. But removing the paneling isn't why BSW doesn't include the rears. It's because of the speaker housings.

Driver side no problem. Speaker magnet hits the back of the housing, but nothing that a few snips of the grid won't fix. Cut this away and it fits just fine.



Passenger side, oy. Housing totally different shape.

There's a big hump inside the housing that accommodates some cables running behind it. (Not really necessary I don't think, but what do I know.) This hump, as well as some material on the other side, needs to be removed. I used a rotozip but there has to be a better way. It's not pretty, but nobody will see it.





New woofer in place



And paneling back together. (Need to vac the dog hair, i reckon.)



Jury's still out on what a difference it makes, as I still have to install the Stage 1 BSW kit in the doors. But I have to believe this will tighten up the bass.

If I were to do this again, i'd definitely install the BSW kit FIRST. Then I could make the call on whether it's necessary to do these rear speakers. But it's done, and it's no longer a mystery what's back there.
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Nice work! Looks like a success!

But why is the jury still out? I would've thought you would notice the difference right away? These seem like much better woofers (larger magnet, rubber vs paper surround, composite vs paper cone) that should perform much better than the originals. For all that work and ~$300 for the woofers, I'd want the improvement to be substantial, otherwise I might just leave the factory HK woofers as they are.

Thanks for sharing the details and photos, in any case!
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Nice work! Looks like a success!

But why is the jury still out? I would've thought you would notice the difference right away? These seem like much better woofers (larger magnet, rubber vs paper surround, composite vs paper cone) that should perform much better than the originals. For all that work and ~$300 for the woofers, I'd want the improvement to be substantial, otherwise I might just leave the factory HK woofers as they are.

Thanks for sharing the details and photos, in any case!
Jury's still out in that it's hard to tell whether the new woofers make a big enough difference with them being the ONLY change to the system.

Played a few tracks that had some nice, deep bass, and it sounds good if I put my head in the cargo area. However, the door mid-bass units are so pathetic that any joy i get from the new subs is minimized by the flabbiness of the other speakers.

Weakest link, and all that.

But I think I'm hearing bass where I didn't before, so that's something.

I'll give a listen in a bit and put the fader all the way to the rear. However, I don't know if those "subwoofers" are considered "rear," or if they play regardless of where the front-to-back mix is.

Again, if I had it to do over, i'd install the BSW kit first, listen to it with the factory subs, then determine if the rears are a weak enough link in the sound to do the swap.
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Ok, finally posting after doing the Bavsound stage 1 install.

I'm underwhelmed, frankly.

I will say the bass definition is improved, and there's a bit more clarity in the highs. So, yes, it's an improvement, but it's a small degree. I will say the original mids were degrading/torn, so it had to be done.

I think I'm going to have to buy some more dynamat/sound deadening sheets, as there's still some shuddering/rattling in the bass department. The door panels aren't really built to withstand much whomp.

(And I don't listen to whompy music.)

Now, the real thing will be to find an amplifier that could replace the original one, and work with the stock headunit.
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Have to say bavsound vs bmw professional, people dont complain when they upgrade the headunit to professional.

Its very rare, its called the cd54. Ive had it a while now and love it. European option only. It will transform your existing speakers, and works best with an existing hk set up.
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